GWX is a yawner.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Let's face it. GWX does suck!

I have been playing mission after mission after mission and not once did the cook ask me about the soup. Not once!!!

Bah and they call GWX a realism mod.

LOL

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Now that I think about it,
Out of courtesy and respect we do all try avoid openly slagging off any ANY modders work where possible (on Subsim)
Since gratitude is the only reward that a modder gets in return for sharing their work.

Basically if you dont like a mod, you can simply unistall & not use it, its a freebie - so in that sense, there is no real justification tell the maker(s) that you think its crap or dull or whatever... is there?
That is generally frowned upon around here, which can only be a good thing

[flag4]

Originally Posted by HMCS

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

it's interesting HMCS, you have been around since 2005. a simple querry as to your problem and what you need/like would have sufficed. there are many mods that change things you dont like or improve things you do: dont need a brick to open the window.

[SeaWolf U-57]

Originally Posted by JU_88

LOL

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Now that I think about it,
Out of courtesy and respect we do all try avoid openly slagging off any ANY modders work where possible (on Subsim)
Since gratitude is the only reward that a modder gets in return for sharing their work.

Basically if you dont like a mod, you can simply unistall & not use it, its a freebie - so in that sense, there is no real justification tell the maker(s) that you think its crap or dull or whatever... is there?
That is generally frowned upon around here, which can only be a good thing

We all acknowledge that the statement "GWX is Boring" is a very stupid thing to say.
after all no mod can be classed as Crap as they offer you a choice of how you want to play the game its down to the individual to mix and match as they please.
I say hats off to all the Supermods and to the people involved in producing them and releasing them for us to enjoy.

[tomfon]

Originally Posted by SeaWolf U-57

We all acknowledge that the statement "GWX is Boring" is a very stupid thing to say.
after all no mod can be classed as Crap as they offer you a choice of how you want to play the game its down to the individual to mix and match as they please.
I say hats off to all the Supermods and to the people involved in producing them and releasing them for us to enjoy.

I second that.

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Thats the primary difference between SH3 and SH4

Sh3 is a simulation of real life gains, losses and frustrations

SH4... well... its a game.

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

[SeaWolf U-57]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

I wonder what you think is the point of posting here just to throw wood on the fire.
has this discussion yet again got to turn into a Us verses Them thread, I.E. GWX verses SH4.
I am quite sure that most of the members here are tired of reading the squabbles about this surely the matter had come to a nice end cant it just be left like that.

[Sailor Steve]

It seems that most replies (my own included) are to the "Boring, boring dull dull dull" comment, as well as the "Yawner" in the title. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we've actually argued about which is better (or more real, or prettier) since SH4 was released.

Originally Posted by HMCS

I'm playing RFB in SH4- so I'm with the realism angle. I'm also familiar with being at sea. It NEVER rains for a month, solid. If that's SH3's issue, then so be it.

It is indeed a problem with SH3 itself. Folks have been complaining about it since day one, and so far none of the attempted fixes have truly solved the problem. It's something we live with because we like the other aspects so much.

SH4 with RFB isn't exactly arcade shoot-em-up, and it has it's fair share of frustrations. I just happen to think that it's a better crafted sim.

And overall again I agree. I keep defending SH4 to those who crticize it, and I play both SH3 with GWX and SH4 UBM with OpsMonsun. I love both, and I complain about both, and in both cases my complaints are toward the basic game, not the mod. I love the continuing radio messages in GWX, but then I never go above 256x time compression, so they still seem few and far between to me; and I wish SH4 had them. I love that the weather works better in SH4, but when a storm comes it never feels quite as real to me. I don't know why that is, but it's my perception.

LukeFF's comment is more than valid. To some of us SH4 does seem more 'gamey', but the mods so far have gone a long way toward fixing that. But that was said about SH3 when compared to SH2, and I'm guessing that it's less what the game is but how it changes what we're used to.

Bottom line - SH2 didn't have a dynamic campaign, SH3 is boring, and SH4 is just plain crap.

I guess I'll go back to playing...wait a minute, there isn't anything else I want to play.

[Damo]

I'd just like to say that my comment about the thread being deleted was wrong. Of course everybody should be allowed to express their opinion.

What I should have said was that the thread should be 'disregarded' as it was made by somebody who doesn't see beyond the surface and seems unwilling to try. Instant gratification is NOT what GWX is about but patience is a virtue and that patience will and is rewarded in so many different ways. The experience is never the same for individual people, how many people have never seen a Battleship, let alone sink one? It's that uncertainty that makes the experience unique for all of us and I'm sorry that HMCS has had a bad first outing, but he's looking for the quick fix which won't happen.

I worried that newcomers to the game and GWX would see his post and be turned off of GWX, hence my deletion comment. I will happily retract that statement but the remainder of my post will stand.

Besides, if those new guys read the whole thread they'll learn what HMCS hasn't so maybe he inadvertantly did GWX a great service.......

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

@ LukeFF, Id imagine that GR was refering to Stock SH4, I doubt he intended to discredit the immense amount of work you guys have done for the sim.

[Wreford-Brown]

A thread with a title like this is always bound to inflame some people - it's just really encouraging to see that people have explained why they like GWX rather than slagging people down, which happens all too often on SS.

Bravo to everyone who has posted. Loads of informative comments and the thread was kept as a debate on opposing views rather than an excuse to throw mud.

[Jimbuna]

I must be getting bored in my old age.....I actually read all the posts

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I must be getting bored in my old age.....I actually read all the posts

And who doesnt?

this forum is so addicting.

[comet61]

I usually give everyone and everything the benefit of the doubt at first. GWX was no exception. Granted, the weather situation in SHIII is a pain as is the radio messages, but I adapted. Before I loaded GWX and researched all the posts here as much as I could, I read all the quirks and perks of stock SHIII. I came to realize that the stock aspect of the game did well enough, but there was a great deal of room for improvement. And improvements there came to be...

GWX impressed me. It basically redefined "realism" as best it could. Is it boring? No. Are there boring moments within a patrol? Yup....just like in real U-Boat life. If you've seen Das Boot, they had several weeks of "nothing" and their frustration was evident...in the film....they were on 1x TC 24/7....so that can be boring. The GWX aspect pretty much "mirrored" those situations.

So, after I loaded GWX (and Rafael's DSK GUI) and read the manual at least 4 times and perused all the posts I could pertaining GWX problems, conflicts and tips and tricks...I think I "got it". I do not go "overboard" with the TC, my weather changes accordingly. I haven't had 3 weeks of 15kmps winds and rain with 30 foot swells; I periodically do sound checks with the hydrophones. That alone can be useful in a few kills. I no longer expect a merchant or convoy to come to me....you have to hunt for them...just like they did back in the day. So, yes..I can get bored and yes, it gets frustrating, but there is a good payoff in the end if you come back from a patrol with a measly 2100 tons.


Of my personal opinion, sometimes people want "it" and want "it" now and that perhaps realism gets in their way I guess. I am not for the arcade type simulations...if so, I'd be on my DS playing Mario Brothers....

I am learning everyday. Follow most of the rules I can and read the posts here because the info is "priceless".

[Hitman]

*sigh*

Where to begin? (As moderator)

I guess, I'll keep it simple to prevent misunderstandings....

People usually tend to forget the essential benefit of living in a democracy, and it is sad so I must remind it:

DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY IT.

PERIOD. THAT'S SPELLED P-E-R-I-O-D

Now please let us go back to other, more important things. Like a patrol in that friggin' cold and stormy northa atlantic

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Now please let us go back to other, more important things. Like a patrol in that friggin' cold and stormy northa atlantic

Best not forget your grub and suitable clothing