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Letum · 11-10-09, 11:07 PM

My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy.
No?

finchOU · 11-11-09, 12:55 AM

Will there be any AI operated boats forming a Wolfpack?

There will be AI operated boats. Wolfpack mechanics are under consideration. This is something we always wanted to do but we want to do them properly so there’s a question if we’ll be able to fit them before release.

Nothing has changed I see. If you didnt have a warm fuzzy about Wolfpacks being a major upgrade in SH5 this should clue you in that it aint happening for sure! Reading between the lines: Under Consideration means Not going to happen. The second sentence means they will not be working on it before the release. Basically it was not a "must" for development..which...Again!...is very troubling from seeing how a Majority of subsimers think this is probably the most important feature that NEEDS to be added to push SH5 to the next level. Please dont be sheep....again....I probably will not purchase this product. I'm not saying its not hard to implement...but really...how different from SH3 can it be? Graphically sure...but gameplay wise? How is it I played a sim 15 years ago which at least tried to implement Wolfpacks and today have a company not even consider it a priority for release of a NEW sim? I mean...am I taking Crazy pills here?? haha. Can some Smart MoFo get a job with this company and finially figure out how to develop this feature? Its almost 2000 effing 10...Seriously!?!

Arclight · 11-11-09, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by finchOU

Nothing has changed I see.

Apart from AI boats and a whole list of features and improvements, not to mention a brand new engine? No, not really.

Tomi_099 · 11-11-09, 05:58 AM

Sorry to be replying to a post made several weeks ago, but this caught my eye and I felt I had to say something.

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Yes !! let as seen something !!

mookiemookie · 11-11-09, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course this would mean that all decks-awash attacks would have to be made on electric motors - no dashing around at high speed in that condition.

Not to mention that the diesel exhausts would most likely be submerged in a decks awash situation and would have to be closed.

looney · 11-11-09, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not to mention that the diesel exhausts would most likely be submerged in a decks awash situation and would have to be closed.

According to HA Werner (Iron Coffins) they used the electric engines a lot more than we are able to. So i don't know if that is bad. The reason for running Decks awash is to be more stealty and to be able to dive faster.

Sailor Steve · 11-12-09, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy.
No?

I'm not sure exactly how they would achieve that. They could pump out fairly precise amounts of water, but letting water in was accomplished by simply opening valves in the top ot the ballast tanks. I don't think they could control the exact amount that came in.

kptn_kaiserhof · 11-21-09, 09:35 AM

i hope there will be soup

prefer hot tomato soup

vickers03 · 11-21-09, 02:34 PM

decks awash (at least for german boats):
boat is trimmed down with flooded main ballast tanks,
only conning tower is visible,
then the fast-diving tank (schnelltauchtank), which
has the volume of the conning tower could
be flooded to entirely dive the boat.

Sailor Steve · 11-21-09, 04:36 PM

That leaves me confused. How flooded are the ballast tanks? Fully flooded, and the boat dives. Partly flooded makes sense, but as I asked before, how precisely is the flooding controlled if the only way to flood is to open the vents? The boat can only be precisely trimmed if it is submerged.

vickers03 · 11-21-09, 05:53 PM

as i understand it from my book, when main ballast
tanks are fully flooded the conning tower is still visible.
main ballast+fastdive-tank together fully submerges the whole boat.
the fastdive tank is placed below the command room
in the center gravity of the boat and has the volume
of the conning tower.
i could scan the page but it's german

kemeri · 11-22-09, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That leaves me confused. How flooded are the ballast tanks? Fully flooded, and the boat dives. Partly flooded makes sense, but as I asked before, how precisely is the flooding controlled if the only way to flood is to open the vents? The boat can only be precisely trimmed if it is submerged.

From the theory of submarines...

There are 3 groups of the main ballast tanks: aft, stern, middle.
All the main ballast groups are flooded (blowed) completely, thus reducing (restoring) submarine buyoancy to about zero.

For exact buyoancy and trim adjusting there are 3 trim tanks: aft, stern, middle. Aft and stern tanks are used for trim adjusting, middle one - for exact buyoancy adjusting. Flooding of trim tanks is controlled precisely.

The "fast-dive" tank is used during the dive to decrease submarine buyoancy below zero (flooded/blowed completely and rather fast), thus speeding up the submarine diving and leaving water surface. Right after the sub leaving the surface, "fast-dive" tank is blowed, restoring buyoancy of the sub to about zero (otherwise the sub will sink).

AFAIK the "fast-dive" tank had been implemented from XXI project only.

I'm rather clever boy, am i not?

CNA0 · 11-22-09, 12:10 PM

"Fast dive" ballast tank (Negative tank is its USS name) belongs to this class. Negative tank not only gives negative bouyancy, to accelerate the dive its situation gives a negative angle to the stern.

Safety tank (a tank usually full) also belongs to this class. It has to be blown if the conning tower became flooded, to compensate the submarine buoyancy. For this reason its situation is centrated and its state doesn't change the trim conditions.

One more is the "Bow buoyancy tank" that can be blown on emergency to get not only buoyancy, also the stern elevation to get the surface in ahead propulsion.

There can be another more: the "Stern buoyancy tank"

I don't know how this theory is applied to WWII german Uboote. As far as I know they didn't have a separate Conning Tower as USS did.

Takeda Shingen · 11-22-09, 01:29 PM

To the point of the the roaming captain, I would agree that this is a good thing. The CO on any naval vessel can't just expect to be walking around the boat willy-nilly. If the CO is away from the conn, and there is an emergency, then the CO had better haul his backside back to the conn right away. No teleportation for me, and no orders from aft torpedo.

Philipp_Thomsen · 11-22-09, 02:21 PM

I imagine that for a IX-B uboat to be at periscope depth, it must have its buoyancy = zero, neutral.

I dont know how much does it weights a torpedo, maybe a couple tons?

What happens if you fire all 4 bow and 2 stern torpedos at once? It would be like blowing ballasts, wouldn't it?

I would like to see it simulated on SH5.

11-10-09, 11:07 PM	#31
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy. No? __________________

11-11-09, 05:58 AM	#34
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	UBIs more ENTERTAIMENT please Sorry to be replying to a post made several weeks ago, but this caught my eye and I felt I had to say something. ................................... Yes !! let as seen something !! __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com

11-21-09, 04:36 PM	#40
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That leaves me confused. How flooded are the ballast tanks? Fully flooded, and the boat dives. Partly flooded makes sense, but as I asked before, how precisely is the flooding controlled if the only way to flood is to open the vents? The boat can only be precisely trimmed if it is submerged. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-22-09, 12:10 PM	#43
CNA0 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid-Spain Posts: 11 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	A 3th class of ballast tanks are "specias ballast tanks" "Fast dive" ballast tank (Negative tank is its USS name) belongs to this class. Negative tank not only gives negative bouyancy, to accelerate the dive its situation gives a negative angle to the stern. Safety tank (a tank usually full) also belongs to this class. It has to be blown if the conning tower became flooded, to compensate the submarine buoyancy. For this reason its situation is centrated and its state doesn't change the trim conditions. One more is the "Bow buoyancy tank" that can be blown on emergency to get not only buoyancy, also the stern elevation to get the surface in ahead propulsion. There can be another more: the "Stern buoyancy tank" I don't know how this theory is applied to WWII german Uboote. As far as I know they didn't have a separate Conning Tower as USS did.

11-22-09, 02:21 PM	#45
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I imagine that for a IX-B uboat to be at periscope depth, it must have its buoyancy = zero, neutral. I dont know how much does it weights a torpedo, maybe a couple tons? What happens if you fire all 4 bow and 2 stern torpedos at once? It would be like blowing ballasts, wouldn't it? I would like to see it simulated on SH5. __________________ To each his own

11-11-09, 12:55 AM	#32
finchOU Samurai Navy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 571 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Will there be any AI operated boats forming a Wolfpack? There will be AI operated boats. Wolfpack mechanics are under consideration. This is something we always wanted to do but we want to do them properly so there’s a question if we’ll be able to fit them before release. Nothing has changed I see. If you didnt have a warm fuzzy about Wolfpacks being a major upgrade in SH5 this should clue you in that it aint happening for sure! Reading between the lines: Under Consideration means Not going to happen. The second sentence means they will not be working on it before the release. Basically it was not a "must" for development..which...Again!...is very troubling from seeing how a Majority of subsimers think this is probably the most important feature that NEEDS to be added to push SH5 to the next level. Please dont be sheep....again....I probably will not purchase this product. I'm not saying its not hard to implement...but really...how different from SH3 can it be? Graphically sure...but gameplay wise? How is it I played a sim 15 years ago which at least tried to implement Wolfpacks and today have a company not even consider it a priority for release of a NEW sim? I mean...am I taking Crazy pills here?? haha. Can some Smart MoFo get a job with this company and finially figure out how to develop this feature? Its almost 2000 effing 10...Seriously!?!

11-21-09, 09:35 AM	#38
kptn_kaiserhof XO Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 418 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	i hope there will be soup prefer hot tomato soup

11-21-09, 02:34 PM	#39
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	decks awash (at least for german boats): boat is trimmed down with flooded main ballast tanks, only conning tower is visible, then the fast-diving tank (schnelltauchtank), which has the volume of the conning tower could be flooded to entirely dive the boat.

11-21-09, 05:53 PM	#41
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	as i understand it from my book, when main ballast tanks are fully flooded the conning tower is still visible. main ballast+fastdive-tank together fully submerges the whole boat. the fastdive tank is placed below the command room in the center gravity of the boat and has the volume of the conning tower. i could scan the page but it's german

11-22-09, 01:29 PM	#44
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	To the point of the the roaming captain, I would agree that this is a good thing. The CO on any naval vessel can't just expect to be walking around the boat willy-nilly. If the CO is away from the conn, and there is an emergency, then the CO had better haul his backside back to the conn right away. No teleportation for me, and no orders from aft torpedo.