They want to see Buckingham Palace become a mosque

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its the series of civil wars in England Ireland and Scotland, from England America got the Puritans and from Scotland it got the rednecks (presbyterian covenanters)

In addition you can blame Bonnie Prince Charley and the Jacobite Highland Clans losing the Battle of Culloden and getting their Scottish behinds exiled to here (and Canada) after the Highland Clearances. That's what you get for wearing a dress into battle. Aye...now ya noo where the wee Klan comes from.

[SgtPotato]

Wow.. Islam. Big ****ing deal. All religions are ****ing stupid.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its the series of civil wars in England Ireland and Scotland, from England America got the Puritans and from Scotland it got the rednecks (presbyterian covenanters)

Ok, I was not talking about English rednecks. This is a whole different kind of redneck, not related to England and Puritans at all. Please don't trace the history of rednecks from the Crusades to the modern age.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by SgtPotato

Wow.. Islam. Big ****ing deal. All religions are ****ing stupid.

Kinda hard to say that any of the major religions are stupid, considering the amount of power they wield.

Actually they seem quite brilliant...

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Isn't this treason? Why don't the British just kill these guys?

It's not treason, it's baiting.

The article about Buckingham Palace first appeared on part of the
website set up for non-muslims to read.

An attempt to polarise the argument, to turn it into 'us and them'.
Polarised arguments benefit the extremes on either end and spew
conflict by denying the vast area of grey crossover in which there is no
clear 'us and them'.

[August]

But Dude it's a direct and detailed plan to take over your country! He even threatened your QUEEN! Now you Brits once went to war because of the ear of some Sea Captain named Jenkins and now you allow such threats to go unpunished in your own country?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Isn't this treason? Why don't the British just kill these guys?

Well, some people are gonna tell you that they have freedom of speech and that killing is prohibited by law.

Anyway, i would be really surprised if the mediatization of this just a week after the shootings at Fort Hood would be a clever move from them.

What a way to improve their reputation!

I was correct, you do have a lot to learn. Where in the world did you get that outlandish idea of what a redneck is?

Where in the world did you get the idea that they suddenly sprang into existance in America?

Ok, I was not talking about English rednecks.

Scottish rednecks, Puritans didn't have the blood thing like the Covenanters did.

But Dude it's a direct and detailed plan to take over your country!

I think the Brits know Choudray is just a loudmouth ***** with a handful of idiots behind nim who couldn't plan a kiddies tea party even with help.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

But Dude it's a direct and detailed plan to take over your country! He even threatened your QUEEN! Now you Brits once went to war because of the ear of some Sea Captain named Jenkins and now you allow such threats to go unpunished in your own country?

Primarily because these days most Brits don't give a flying rats arse about that kind of thing and if they do and speak about it they are assumed to be BNP. Most Brits care more about the X Factor and Jedward than they do about Buck House.
Sad state of affairs, but that's the UK now for you, and the major parties won't touch anything like immigration or racial tension with a ten foot barge pole because it'll blow up in their faces and people will accuse them of being fascist and so on and so forth.
It's for this reason and the underlying racial and religious tensions in the UK that the BNP is becoming more popular, and I say thank god for that, because it's got the main parties scared and they have finally realised that they will actually have to address the issues that the BNP thrives on to undermine their support and prevent a Weimar.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Oberon

the major parties won't touch anything like immigration

WHAT?!
Immigration is one of the main opposition batons.
All three major parties list immigration on their online major policies
lists.

Immigration has been a BIG political topic for the major parties forever
and a day.
Things haven't got much past the “if you want a n_____r for a
neighbour, vote Labour” days. It's just the language that is toned down.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It's for this reason and the underlying racial and religious tensions in the UK that the BNP is becoming more popular, and I say thank god for that, because it's got the main parties scared and they have finally realised that they will actually have to address the issues that the BNP thrives on to undermine their support and prevent a Weimar.

A two-sided sword, though I tend to agree that the failure of the establoishement paves the way for more extremist poltical actors stepping onto the stage, and maybe that even is needed - if the established powers do not act. I read this morning that Geert Wilders runs for prime ministre 2011 - and that his party currently leads the Duch polls (says Der Spiegel). But we have seen in Germany repeatedly in the past years how grassroot movements and citizen groups trying to raise resistance to Islam and allowing (or being helpless against) rightwing groups taking over their fight, brought all such ambitions into public discredit over being called Nazism and racism. Even in the forum here the formula "opposing Islam = xenophobia + racism + islamophobia" is very popular with some.

Which makes being called a racist and xenophobe and islamophobe a compliment certifying your healthy reason and ratio.

Interesting how terms get turned into meaning all and nothing anymore.

But we have seen in Germany repeatedly in the past years how grassroot movements and citizen groups trying to raise resistance to Islam and allowing (or being helpless against) rightwing groups taking over their fight, brought all such ambitions into public discredit over being called Nazism and racism.

That is because the groups deal in absolutes which don't work, plus of course they are usually led by idiots like Wilders or Griffin and attract a disproportionate number of morons which give them a bad name.

It's for this reason and the underlying racial and religious tensions in the UK that the BNP is becoming more popular, and I say thank god for that, because it's got the main parties scared and they have finally realised that they will actually have to address the issues that the BNP thrives on to undermine their support and prevent a Weimar.

Nothing new, when I was living in Britain the BNP wanted to kick all the Irish out.
Apparently we are all terrorist supporters, don't intergrate and are part of a global plot by the Vatican.
Now its the Muslims turn, if they get rid of all the Muslims they will only find someone else to blame, probably the Jews again.
BTW do the BNP still do their protests outside M&W and Mark&Sparks?

Funnily enough though, when I was living in Germany it was the brits not the Irish that got the grief from the locals.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Letum

It's not treason, it's baiting.

The article about Buckingham Palace first appeared on part of the
website set up for non-muslims to read.

An attempt to polarise the argument, to turn it into 'us and them'.
Polarised arguments benefit the extremes on either end and spew
conflict by denying the vast area of grey crossover in which there is no
clear 'us and them'.

Hmm.. maybe. But this sure strikes me as similar to Lenin and the Bolsheviks, who worked this same approach for years and eventually toppled an empire and caused untold misery for millions. The obscure crackpots of today can become tyrants at a future date.

[Letum]

The similarities to pre-revolution Bolshevism and these zelots are so
sparse and general that the comparison doesn't make the much sense.
There is certainly no "same approach" going on.

Problems with historical comparison aside, the notion of these nuts ever
being 'popular', let alone leading a popular uprising is a little unlikely to
say the least.


ed: Perhaps a better comparison from the early 20th century is with the
Anarchist movements which invented the use of bombs as terror weapons.
ed2: On second thoughts, this too is a poor comparison. The Anarchists
made much more effort to be intellectually serious.

[FIREWALL]

Those two guys like their women "Thick".