[REQ] 3D torpedo-room: Any modder interested in finishing it? - Page 82

walkirie · 10-24-09, 03:39 AM

Wunderbar

Thank you Tomi for your hard work

Tomi_099 · 10-25-09, 07:24 AM

Ich suche den Richtigen Diesel Rhythmus des MWM Motors
Wer kann mir helfen und vielleicht bildlich ( Zeichnerisch ) darstellen für unsere Animation??

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YOU TUBE

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I am looking for the right man rhythm of the diesel engine MWM
Who can help me and may represent visually (draughtsmanship) for our entertainment?

tonschk · 10-25-09, 09:42 AM

how can I help you ?

Tomi_099 · 10-25-09, 10:34 AM

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/zylfiretypii.jpg/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

i think it depends on the cylinders...
like if it was 6 Cylinders,
1.the two at the end would fire...
2.then the two in the middle.
3.and then the two right next to each other

1.|_|....................|_|
.......|_| |_| |_| |_|

2.....|_|.........|_|
...|_|...|_| |_|...|_|

3...........|_| |_|
...|_| |_|..........|_| |_|

please excuse me, that took a bit of work... but when i hear Uboat engines, i get a distinct 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3 sound...so that makes me believe thats how they work.

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So richtig verstehe ich das nicht ??

I really do not understand it?
Skwasjer has the solution to my knowledge has found the rhythm.
But unfortunately I can not reach him.

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Shot at 2009-10-25

IST DAS KORREKT ???

This is my result.
Unfortunately, the film does sometimes hang
but that's the right play YOUTUBE

Tomi_099 · 10-30-09, 06:09 PM

I forgot to say, is also a version of the night with full light,
this can be Activiert with Skwasjer S3D.

Look !!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=125

tonschk · 10-31-09, 03:05 AM

Wunderbar Tomi , Wonderful

Kaleun_Endrass · 10-31-09, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi_099

Hi Tomi,
ich glaube nicht, dass pro Zylinder wirklich drei Ventile vorhanden waren.
Das linke Ventil ist Einlassventil (Frischluft), das rechte Auslassventil und in der Mitte ist irgendein Steuerventil (Kraftstoffzufuhr) oder von der Lage am Kopf ausgehend irgendeine Wippmechanik, die was mit der Zündung zutun haben könnte. Der Kipphelbel hat auch einen wesentlich dünneren Stößel. Jedenfalls glaube ich fest, dass die Sequenz der beiden außen liegenden Stößel aussieht wie in diesen youtube-clips:

WWI U-Bootdiesel:

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Hi Tomi,
I don't think that there were three valves for each cylinder. The left valve is entrance (air), the right valve is for exhaust and in the middle is something like a control valve (diesel injection) or, based on the location at the cylinder head, a mechanic for (spark) ignition.
For that I truly believe the sequence of the outer valves is the same as in the youtube clips...

Kaleun_Endrass · 10-31-09, 07:24 AM

I found an original clip of a uboat diesel:

At 0:48 to 0:52 you can see that the middle valve isn't working.

Tomi_099 · 10-31-09, 10:35 AM

@Kaleun_Endrass

Für dem MWM RS127 S 350PS 1000U/min

Ist glaube ich der richtige Rytmus ..

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1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,

.

was glaubt ihr ??

Tomi_099 · 11-02-09, 06:29 PM

DIESEL ANIMATIN

MWM RS127s

YOUTUBE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RmieVItjCaM#t=68

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tonschk · 11-03-09, 06:01 AM

Thank you

Tomi

Kaleun_Endrass · 11-03-09, 11:17 AM

Hey Tomi,

the animation looks good so far, but if you keep that cycle in real it would propably kill the cylinder head.
Now I have a technical reference myself to give a helping hand... here is a diagram for your four strokes:

The three pusher (Stößel) are for
1) Einlassventil (Intake valve)
2) Rollenabhebenocken (Interrupter or Timimg Cam)
3) Auslassventil (Exhaust valve)

............ 1.T. 2.T. 3.T. 4.T.
1 Valve (L): ---ö|os--|----|----
2 Valve (M): ----|----|----|----
3 Valve (R): ----|----|----|öoob

............ u o |u o |u o |u o
piston.....: _/-\ _/-\ _/-\ _/-\

The legend for the valves:
ö = is opening
o = is full open
s = is closing
b = right at the beginning of the movement to lower cylinder position the valve is almost closed

As you can see, the middle "valve" wasn't used for a combustion of the cylinder. It was a mechanic to be able to let the engine rotate reverse.
The lower crankshaft was rotated several degrees to change the engines timing when operating reverse.

See: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Plate30A.htm

Tomi_099 · 11-04-09, 04:25 AM

Moin !!
Kaleun_Endrass

Ich habe die Schematick oben in Excel dargestellt.
Ist es möglich dass du mir das so darstellst wie oben.
Damit kann ich die Position der Stößel gut erkennen.

Was für die Simulation wichtig ist .

Denkst du das der Motor gewisser Vibration bei Vollgas
Ausgesetzt war.

Und der Winkel der Stößel dach oben und unten, ist der o.k.??

Gruß Tomi.

Alle Veränderungen werden von Diving Duck übernommen,
und überarbeitet.
Ich hoffe er gibt hier ein Feedback ab!!
Das würde mich freuen.

Gruß Tomi

Moin!
Kaleun_Endrass

I have the schematick shown above in Excel.
Is it possible that you show me the way as above.
So I can see well the position of the plunger.

What is important for the simulation.

Do you think that some of the engine vibration at full throttle
Was suspended.

And the angle of the plunger up and down the roof, which is ok?

Greeting Tomi.

All changes will be accepted by Diving Duck
and revised.
I hope he makes a feedback here!
That would be nice.

Greeting Tomi

Kaleun_Endrass · 11-12-09, 08:08 AM

Hi Tomi,

habe ein Update zum Motor und zu den Steuerzeiten. Der mittlere Stößel treibt das Anlassventil, durch das der Motor mittels Druckluft gestartet werden kann. Sobald der Motor zündet, werden die Anlassventile nicht mehr von der Nockenwelle mitbewegt und der mittlere Stößel u. Kipphebel bleiben stehen.

Habe eine Excel-Tabelle hochgeladen, in der die Steuerzeiten für alle 6 Zylinder der Backbord und der Steuerbord-Maschine stehen. Die Zahlenwerte in den Zellen sind in mm und bezeichnen den Hub der Stößelstangen.

Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/30591872...eiten.xls.html

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I have an update for the engine and its timing. The middle push rod moves the starting valve, which is used to start the engine with pressurized air. As soon as the engine is firing itself the starting valve isn't moved by the camshaft any longer and the middle push rod and rocker stand still.

The uploaded excel file contains the timing for all six cylinders of the port and starboard engine. The values of the cells are in millimeters and symbols the stoke of the push rods.

Tomi_099 · 11-15-09, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaleun_Endrass

Hi Tomi,

habe ein Update zum Motor und zu den Steuerzeiten. Der mittlere Stößel treibt das Anlassventil, durch das der Motor mittels Druckluft gestartet werden kann. Sobald der Motor zündet, werden die Anlassventile nicht mehr von der Nockenwelle mitbewegt und der mittlere Stößel u. Kipphebel bleiben stehen.

Habe eine Excel-Tabelle hochgeladen, in der die Steuerzeiten für alle 6 Zylinder der Backbord und der Steuerbord-Maschine stehen. Die Zahlenwerte in den Zellen sind in mm und bezeichnen den Hub der Stößelstangen.

Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/30591872...eiten.xls.html

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I have an update for the engine and its timing. The middle push rod moves the starting valve, which is used to start the engine with pressurized air. As soon as the engine is firing itself the starting valve isn't moved by the camshaft any longer and the middle push rod and rocker stand still.

The uploaded excel file contains the timing for all six cylinders of the port and starboard engine. The values of the cells are in millimeters and symbols the stoke of the push rods.

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MOIN !! Kaleun_Endrass

Great job, where you get those figures yet.
It is hard to imagine how to function as the pistons.
I fear that it is a problem for me!

Sorry!

10-25-09, 07:24 AM	#1217
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	Diesel Rhythmus ?? Ich suche den Richtigen Diesel Rhythmus des MWM Motors Wer kann mir helfen und vielleicht bildlich ( Zeichnerisch ) darstellen für unsere Animation?? --------------------------------- YOU TUBE ---------------------------- I am looking for the right man rhythm of the diesel engine MWM Who can help me and may represent visually (draughtsmanship) for our entertainment? __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com

10-25-09, 09:42 AM	#1218
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	how can I help you ? __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

10-30-09, 06:09 PM	#1220
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	DAYLIGHT I forgot to say, is also a version of the night with full light, this can be Activiert with Skwasjer S3D. Look !! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=125 __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com

10-31-09, 03:05 AM	#1221
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Wunderbar Tomi , Wonderful __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

10-31-09, 07:24 AM	#1223
Kaleun_Endrass Sparky Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 158 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I found an original clip of a uboat diesel: At 0:48 to 0:52 you can see that the middle valve isn't working. __________________ I hope alot of people will buy SHV. I will and I will mod it and play it. Keep in mind if we don´t buy it, the next SH title will look like this and you can look forward to a starfish addon...

10-24-09, 03:39 AM	#1216
walkirie Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Wunderbar Thank you Tomi for your hard work

10-31-09, 10:35 AM	#1224
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	Diesel Rytmus TYP II @Kaleun_Endrass Für dem MWM RS127 S 350PS 1000U/min Ist glaube ich der richtige Rytmus .. . 1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 ,1 2 3 , . was glaubt ihr ?? __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com

11-02-09, 06:29 PM	#1225
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	DIESEL ANIMATIN ..TEST..it DIESEL ANIMATIN MWM RS127s YOUTUBE '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RmieVItjCaM#t=68 ###################################### ############################ __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com Last edited by Tomi_099; 11-02-09 at 06:55 PM.

11-03-09, 06:01 AM	#1226
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Thank you Tomi __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

11-03-09, 11:17 AM	#1227
Kaleun_Endrass Sparky Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 158 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hey Tomi, the animation looks good so far, but if you keep that cycle in real it would propably kill the cylinder head. Now I have a technical reference myself to give a helping hand... here is a diagram for your four strokes: The three pusher (Stößel) are for 1) Einlassventil (Intake valve) 2) Rollenabhebenocken (Interrupter or Timimg Cam) 3) Auslassventil (Exhaust valve) ............ 1.T. 2.T. 3.T. 4.T. 1 Valve (L): ---ö\|os--\|----\|---- 2 Valve (M): ----\|----\|----\|---- 3 Valve (R): ----\|----\|----\|öoob ............ u o \|u o \|u o \|u o piston.....: _/-\ _/-\ _/-\ _/-\ The legend for the valves: ö = is opening o = is full open s = is closing b = right at the beginning of the movement to lower cylinder position the valve is almost closed As you can see, the middle "valve" wasn't used for a combustion of the cylinder. It was a mechanic to be able to let the engine rotate reverse. The lower crankshaft was rotated several degrees to change the engines timing when operating reverse. See: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570Plate30A.htm __________________ I hope alot of people will buy SHV. I will and I will mod it and play it. Keep in mind if we don´t buy it, the next SH title will look like this and you can look forward to a starfish addon...

11-04-09, 04:25 AM	#1228
Tomi_099 The Old Man Join Date: May 2007 Location: München / Germany Posts: 1,486 Downloads: 426 Uploads: 0	Simulation Moin !! Kaleun_Endrass Ich habe die Schematick oben in Excel dargestellt. Ist es möglich dass du mir das so darstellst wie oben. Damit kann ich die Position der Stößel gut erkennen. Was für die Simulation wichtig ist . Denkst du das der Motor gewisser Vibration bei Vollgas Ausgesetzt war. Und der Winkel der Stößel dach oben und unten, ist der o.k.?? Gruß Tomi. Alle Veränderungen werden von Diving Duck übernommen, und überarbeitet. Ich hoffe er gibt hier ein Feedback ab!! Das würde mich freuen. Gruß Tomi Moin! Kaleun_Endrass I have the schematick shown above in Excel. Is it possible that you show me the way as above. So I can see well the position of the plunger. What is important for the simulation. Do you think that some of the engine vibration at full throttle Was suspended. And the angle of the plunger up and down the roof, which is ok? Greeting Tomi. All changes will be accepted by Diving Duck and revised. I hope he makes a feedback here! That would be nice. Greeting Tomi __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com

11-12-09, 08:08 AM	#1229
Kaleun_Endrass Sparky Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 158 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hi Tomi, habe ein Update zum Motor und zu den Steuerzeiten. Der mittlere Stößel treibt das Anlassventil, durch das der Motor mittels Druckluft gestartet werden kann. Sobald der Motor zündet, werden die Anlassventile nicht mehr von der Nockenwelle mitbewegt und der mittlere Stößel u. Kipphebel bleiben stehen. Habe eine Excel-Tabelle hochgeladen, in der die Steuerzeiten für alle 6 Zylinder der Backbord und der Steuerbord-Maschine stehen. Die Zahlenwerte in den Zellen sind in mm und bezeichnen den Hub der Stößelstangen. Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/30591872...eiten.xls.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have an update for the engine and its timing. The middle push rod moves the starting valve, which is used to start the engine with pressurized air. As soon as the engine is firing itself the starting valve isn't moved by the camshaft any longer and the middle push rod and rocker stand still. The uploaded excel file contains the timing for all six cylinders of the port and starboard engine. The values of the cells are in millimeters and symbols the stoke of the push rods. __________________ I hope alot of people will buy SHV. I will and I will mod it and play it. Keep in mind if we don´t buy it, the next SH title will look like this and you can look forward to a starfish addon...