Good Question !

SteamWake · 10-10-09, 09:14 PM

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What happened to global warming?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

CaptainHaplo · 10-10-09, 09:18 PM

It got too hot - so it left the building?

Ok seriously - if this fellow thinks facts derived from observation and historical data is going to stop the hug a tree and chop up your SUV wacko's - he has no idea what he is up against.

I wish him luck, and will do what I can to follow this, but I expect very little actual reality to dawn on people.

The enviromental movement has too much to lose to let mere fact stand in its way.

SteamWake · 10-12-09, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconson State Journal

In what organizers said was a rarity, Gore took half a dozen questions from journalists, including one from Phelim McAleer, an Irish filmmaker who asked Gore to address nine errors in his film identified by a British court in 2007.

Gore responded that the court ruling supported the showing of his film in British schools. When McAleer tried to debate further, his microphone was cut off by the moderators.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...fb39f80bc.html

AVGWarhawk · 10-12-09, 09:29 AM

Global Warming= big money. Ask Al Gore

Fear not, it might be quiet now but the global warming debate will resume directly after the healthcare bill is passed.

SS107.9MHz · 10-12-09, 10:30 AM

Idon't know what happened to global warming...But I think it's taken a liking for my whereabouts... it's been the longest summer ever in Portugal... It's a tendency I've been watching for about five years now... but this year is almost silly... It's October and it's seems like were in June... Lot's of people on the beach and the migrations are all postponed... Still seeing swallows around here... Storks don't even migrate anymore... Hell, Gore might be a duche but there's no doubt things are getting warmer!

SteamWake · 10-12-09, 10:43 AM

Okay here is some more anectdotal evidence for ya.

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Originally Posted by BBC

What happened to global warming?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

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Montana breaks record cold

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/G...asp?S=11295113

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Record cold threatens potato crop

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state...cc4c002e0.html

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Earliest snowfall on record in Austria

http://austriantimes.at/news/General...t_to_be_broken

AVGWarhawk · 10-12-09, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SS107.9MHz

Idon't know what happened to global warming...But I think it's taken a liking for my whereabouts... it's been the longest summer ever in Portugal... It's a tendency I've been watching for about five years now... but this year is almost silly... It's October and it's seems like were in June... Lot's of people on the beach and the migrations are all postponed... Still seeing swallows around here... Storks don't even migrate anymore... Hell, Gore might be a duche but there's no doubt things are getting warmer!

Not here. 48 degrees last night on the mid east coast of the US. In short, I froze my arse off last night.

I know I know...it ain't about your local weather is about the GLOBAL weather

After all, what does my local weather have to do with anything?

NeonSamurai · 10-12-09, 12:54 PM

Record cold actually doesn't disprove global warming, as one thing, warming (as cooling) does is mess with weather patterns, and also wind and water currents. These altered patterns aside from causing storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc can cause radical changes in temperatures including making certain areas colder.

There is also fairly hard scientific evidence that global warming is happening, such as the average temperature globally has been increasing for a while, particularly with the earth's 'radiator', the oceans. Then there are the massive losses of ice in the north and south pole regions and with glaciers around the world. Numerous fish species have been having problems due to being very temperature sensitive when it comes to reproducing. Changes in migratory patterns of animals have also been observed. Ocean levels have been slowly rising due to the ice melting in the poles. Most of the scientific community believes that we are in a global warming period and that man is a significant contributor to it.

Now as for that news article, I have several problems with it. First off its a news article and should be taken with a massive grain of salt. This guy is a news person and is probably not trained in understanding scientific theory and methodology, and is unlikely to comprehend the implications of the research he is discussing. Second there is no data backing up any statements or claims in the article or any links or reference to any data, he drops a few names but that doesn't mean much.

As for the content of the article, its hardly conclusive. He has one scientist claiming that we will be entering a cooling period of 30 years. Also from what I was able to quickly gather 2006 came very close to being the warmest year in the US with 1998 being the first, and globally according to the GISS the 6 warmest years are all after 1998. This summer the oceans were also their warmest ever according to NOAA.

As for money, ya global warming is big money, and sure people will be exploiting it as they exploit any other opportunity. But the counter argument is look at who its going to be costing a lot of money, all those trans-global corporations exploiting 3rd world environmental regulations, could you imagine what it would cost them if they were forced to clean up their act? That's pretty good motivation for them to throw as much mud into the water as they can. You can also imagine how these dissenting scientists can profit as well (media attention can mean research funding).

Anyhow some links with statistical data to back up my statements in my 4th paragraph, in no particular order.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s-summary.html
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2007/20071210_GISTEMP.pdf
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...obalstats.html
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/...ansen_etal.pdf
those links all have further links of their own.

SteamWake · 10-12-09, 01:48 PM

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s-summary.html

2006 data

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailin...10_GISTEMP.pdf

Graph cuts off at the year 2000

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...obalstats.html

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NOAA: Warmest Global Sea-Surface Temperatures for August and Summer

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NCDC scientists also reported that the combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for August was second warmest on record, behind 1998. For the June-August 2009 season, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was third warmest on record.

Thats just a tad confusing.

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/...ansen_etal.pdf

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We compare the United States and global surface air temperature changes of the past century using the current Goddard Institute for Space Studies

Ummm its "Global" warming.... just way too much verberia there to digest in an offhand manner.

Keep one thing in mind when reading some of these reports. They are prepaired by people with a vested interest in the topic so they just might be biased a little.

On the bright side they expect heating oil to be at a lower costs so it will be a little cheaper to get by this winter of warming

10-10-09, 09:18 PM	#2
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	It got too hot - so it left the building? Ok seriously - if this fellow thinks facts derived from observation and historical data is going to stop the hug a tree and chop up your SUV wacko's - he has no idea what he is up against. I wish him luck, and will do what I can to follow this, but I expect very little actual reality to dawn on people. The enviromental movement has too much to lose to let mere fact stand in its way. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

10-12-09, 09:29 AM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Global Warming= big money. Ask Al Gore Fear not, it might be quiet now but the global warming debate will resume directly after the healthcare bill is passed. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-12-09, 10:30 AM	#5
SS107.9MHz Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lat.40º12'82"N, Long.8º85'48"W, Portugal Posts: 256 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Idon't know what happened to global warming...But I think it's taken a liking for my whereabouts... it's been the longest summer ever in Portugal... It's a tendency I've been watching for about five years now... but this year is almost silly... It's October and it's seems like were in June... Lot's of people on the beach and the migrations are all postponed... Still seeing swallows around here... Storks don't even migrate anymore... Hell, Gore might be a duche but there's no doubt things are getting warmer! __________________ Rádio Universidade de Coimbra 107.9 FM, 26 Years Of Free Radio, http://www.ruc.pt/

10-12-09, 12:54 PM	#8
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Record cold actually doesn't disprove global warming, as one thing, warming (as cooling) does is mess with weather patterns, and also wind and water currents. These altered patterns aside from causing storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc can cause radical changes in temperatures including making certain areas colder. There is also fairly hard scientific evidence that global warming is happening, such as the average temperature globally has been increasing for a while, particularly with the earth's 'radiator', the oceans. Then there are the massive losses of ice in the north and south pole regions and with glaciers around the world. Numerous fish species have been having problems due to being very temperature sensitive when it comes to reproducing. Changes in migratory patterns of animals have also been observed. Ocean levels have been slowly rising due to the ice melting in the poles. Most of the scientific community believes that we are in a global warming period and that man is a significant contributor to it. Now as for that news article, I have several problems with it. First off its a news article and should be taken with a massive grain of salt. This guy is a news person and is probably not trained in understanding scientific theory and methodology, and is unlikely to comprehend the implications of the research he is discussing. Second there is no data backing up any statements or claims in the article or any links or reference to any data, he drops a few names but that doesn't mean much. As for the content of the article, its hardly conclusive. He has one scientist claiming that we will be entering a cooling period of 30 years. Also from what I was able to quickly gather 2006 came very close to being the warmest year in the US with 1998 being the first, and globally according to the GISS the 6 warmest years are all after 1998. This summer the oceans were also their warmest ever according to NOAA. As for money, ya global warming is big money, and sure people will be exploiting it as they exploit any other opportunity. But the counter argument is look at who its going to be costing a lot of money, all those trans-global corporations exploiting 3rd world environmental regulations, could you imagine what it would cost them if they were forced to clean up their act? That's pretty good motivation for them to throw as much mud into the water as they can. You can also imagine how these dissenting scientists can profit as well (media attention can mean research funding). Anyhow some links with statistical data to back up my statements in my 4th paragraph, in no particular order. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s-summary.html http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2007/20071210_GISTEMP.pdf http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...obalstats.html http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/...ansen_etal.pdf those links all have further links of their own. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff