germans used helicopters

Phil · 08-11-09, 12:16 PM

I was watching history channel about the battle of the atlantic and I saw that the germans used small helicopters to increase their visibility I had never heard of anything like this. has anyone else?

BulSoldier · 08-11-09, 12:21 PM

What do you mean exactly to extend their visibility ? To what you are refering (uboat, surface ships ?)

For uboats there was experimental kite thing but it didnt worked well if i remember corectly.
Otherwise i havent heard for germans using helicopetrs.

Jimbuna · 08-11-09, 12:38 PM

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/es...a_223/DI52.htm

http://robroy.dyndns.info/targetkites/Fa-330/intro.html

Dread Knot · 08-11-09, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

I was watching history channel about the battle of the atlantic and I saw that the germans used small helicopters to increase their visibility I had never heard of anything like this. has anyone else?

Interesting invention, but they never lived up to expectations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_330

mikka · 08-11-09, 02:30 PM

pwnd by the filter!

(didn't even know there was a filter)

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-11-09, 03:31 PM

As Jimbuna has pointed out via screenshot above... you can find the FA-223 helo in GWX thanks to Privateer

Video of the real thing:

Schroeder · 08-11-09, 03:52 PM

The F o c k e Argelis 330:
http://www.bredow-web.de/Museum_Duxf...is_fa_330.html

A helicopter like machine that was towed by U-boats to increase their visual range above what the conning tower could provide.

Pisces · 08-11-09, 05:30 PM

Here is another link for the Fa 330.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_330

Technically, they are not helicopters, but gyro-gliders. They do not have a power source of themselves to power the rotor. Power was gained by towing the craft by the uboat, and the air flowing through the rotor disk/blades spinned up the rotor and was enough to maintain lift up. So they couldn't lift up straight vertically from the spot. An 'auto-gyro' does have a power source, but it is only providing forward thrust like a propellor aircraft does. (so avoiding the need for a towboat

) The lifting power also comes from the air flowing through the rotor disk. The rotating blades create the same lifting effect as ordinary fixed wings. So it neither lifts up vertically from the spot. It's more like a STOL (short take-off or Landing) type aircraft.

The aircraft in the image jimbuna posted appearantly is a (dual rotor) helicopter that was self powered. I thought helicopters were only succesfully developed after WW2. Oh well, history lesson learned.

Brer Rabbit · 08-12-09, 12:01 AM

U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter. The full reference and details can be found at www.uboatarchive.net.

A photo of the craft can be seen here: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177.htm
The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm

Now that would be a hell ova mod.

Melonfish · 08-12-09, 02:04 AM

Came accross the Achgelis the other day, started my patrol out of Lorient and thought, "WTH is that noise?" i thought my graphics or sound had corrupted, so i went to the bridge and it was louder?
imagine my shock when i saw it wheeling overhead!

excellent bit of modeling in GWX! totally love that craft

TarJak · 08-12-09, 03:55 AM

You should see who is driving it!

Jimbuna · 08-12-09, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

You should see who is driving it!

Probably the most intelligent and best looking person I've seen in a cockpit

Hanomag · 08-12-09, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

You should see who is driving it!

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Probably the most intelligent and best looking person I've seen in a cockpit

Bloody Hell... I just took screenies of that chopper, last career I had actually made it to Bergen again and then perished.

Now I have to make it to 44 and get a better look at whos flying the bloody thing.. sheisse!!

Jimbuna · 08-12-09, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

Bloody Hell... I just took screenies of that chopper, last career I had actually made it to Bergen again and then perished.

Now I have to make it to 44 and get a better look at whos flying the bloody thing.. sheisse!!

ROFLMAO :rotfl:

FIREWALL · 08-12-09, 03:04 PM

[quote=Brer Rabbit;1149349]U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter.

The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm

There were acually survivors from flying that thing. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

08-11-09, 12:16 PM	#1
Phil Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newark delaware Posts: 110 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	germans used helicopters I was watching history channel about the battle of the atlantic and I saw that the germans used small helicopters to increase their visibility I had never heard of anything like this. has anyone else?

08-11-09, 12:21 PM	#2
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	What do you mean exactly to extend their visibility ? To what you are refering (uboat, surface ships ?) For uboats there was experimental kite thing but it didnt worked well if i remember corectly. Otherwise i havent heard for germans using helicopetrs. __________________ By the hour !

08-11-09, 12:38 PM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	http://www.centennialofflight.gov/es...a_223/DI52.htm http://robroy.dyndns.info/targetkites/Fa-330/intro.html __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-11-09, 03:31 PM	#6
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	As Jimbuna has pointed out via screenshot above... you can find the FA-223 helo in GWX thanks to Privateer Video of the real thing: __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

08-11-09, 03:52 PM	#7
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	The F o c k e Argelis 330: http://www.bredow-web.de/Museum_Duxf...is_fa_330.html A helicopter like machine that was towed by U-boats to increase their visual range above what the conning tower could provide. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

08-11-09, 02:30 PM	#5
mikka Watch Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 26 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	pwnd by the filter! (didn't even know there was a filter)

08-11-09, 05:30 PM	#8
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	Here is another link for the Fa 330. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_330 Technically, they are not helicopters, but gyro-gliders. They do not have a power source of themselves to power the rotor. Power was gained by towing the craft by the uboat, and the air flowing through the rotor disk/blades spinned up the rotor and was enough to maintain lift up. So they couldn't lift up straight vertically from the spot. An 'auto-gyro' does have a power source, but it is only providing forward thrust like a propellor aircraft does. (so avoiding the need for a towboat ) The lifting power also comes from the air flowing through the rotor disk. The rotating blades create the same lifting effect as ordinary fixed wings. So it neither lifts up vertically from the spot. It's more like a STOL (short take-off or Landing) type aircraft. The aircraft in the image jimbuna posted appearantly is a (dual rotor) helicopter that was self powered. I thought helicopters were only succesfully developed after WW2. Oh well, history lesson learned. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

08-12-09, 12:01 AM	#9
Brer Rabbit Briar Patch Runner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 95 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	U-boat helicopters U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter. The full reference and details can be found at www.uboatarchive.net. A photo of the craft can be seen here: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177.htm The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm Now that would be a hell ova mod.

08-12-09, 02:04 AM	#10
Melonfish XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Warrington, UK Posts: 417 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Came accross the Achgelis the other day, started my patrol out of Lorient and thought, "WTH is that noise?" i thought my graphics or sound had corrupted, so i went to the bridge and it was louder? imagine my shock when i saw it wheeling overhead! excellent bit of modeling in GWX! totally love that craft

08-12-09, 03:55 AM	#11
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	You should see who is driving it!

08-12-09, 03:04 PM	#15
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	[quote=Brer Rabbit;1149349]U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter. The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm There were acually survivors from flying that thing. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???