Palin quits - Page 4

Thomen · 07-05-09, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

If any sort of scandal erupts in the wake of her quitting she is done.

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Probably, but don't discount that many modern Americans seem to have an apparent lack of memory and/or a short attention span.
IF, and thats a big IF, the media should turn against the Democrats for whatever reason, then, yes.. there may be a chance that she can actually make it. It will all depend on how she is displayed in the media and how much support she get from them.

Onkel Neal · 07-05-09, 02:58 PM

Agreed, Thomen.

Palin could still mount a comeback, because there are plenty in the Republican base who would vote for her based on appeal and rhetoric, on popularity rather than credentials and experience, same as the Dems voted in Obama.

mookiemookie · 07-05-09, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Probably, but don't discount that many modern Americans seem to have an apparent lack of memory and/or a short attention span.
IF, and thats a big IF, the media should turn against the Democrats for whatever reason, then, yes.. there may be a chance that she can actually make it. It will all depend on how she is displayed in the media and how much support she get from them.

And it's all dependent upon whether the big bad librul media asks her unfair and impossible questions like "what do you read?"

Thomen · 07-05-09, 10:08 PM

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And it's all dependent upon whether the big bad librul media asks her unfair and impossible questions like "what do you read?"

Yea, kinda the questions Obama and Biden got. That would be an 'almost' sure winner. Worked for those two, too.. plus some big helping hands from ABC and MSNBC when it came to broadcasting and editing the interviews.

But, seriously, the interviews are not really the deciding factors. How stuff is covered and how aggressive the socalled journalists and reporters are, is what will decide it.

Max2147 · 07-05-09, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Yea, kinda the questions Obama and Biden got. That would be an 'almost' sure winner. Worked for those two, too.. plus some big helping hands from ABC and MSNBC when it came to broadcasting and editing the interviews.

But, seriously, the interviews are not really the deciding factors. How stuff is covered and how aggressive the socalled journalists and reporters are, is what will decide it.

I think you missed the point - the media gave Palin the gimme questions and she still fluffed them up. "What newspapers do you read" is not a difficult question.

The question that triggered Palin's legendary answer in the Katie Couric interview was "Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" That's a simple yes or no question, and it was fair game because Palin had been using Russia's proximity to Alaska as an asset for the entire campaign.

Tina Fey wouldn't have had any effect if she hadn't been able to get laughs by quoting Palin verbatim.

Thomen · 07-05-09, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

I think you missed the point - the media gave Palin the gimme questions and she still fluffed them up. "What newspapers do you read" is not a difficult question.

The question that triggered Palin's legendary answer in the Katie Couric interview was "Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" That's a simple yes or no question, and it was fair game because Palin had been using Russia's proximity to Alaska as an asset for the entire campaign.

Tina Fey wouldn't have had any effect if she hadn't been able to get laughs by quoting Palin verbatim.

Na.. I did not miss the point. It is more along the line how this is presented. She could have given the best interview, and she would still have taken a lot of heat for her answers.

The point here is, that the media showed favoritism, and still does. If the gloves come off, it will (probably) look different. And it does not really matter if Palin is still in the public eye or not at the time.
She can go dance in a strip club (ok, maybe not that bad), or snork coke. If the press 'diggs' her, all her past failing will be forgiven and forgotten and that's where the problem lies, IMO. Not that the press might digg her, but that the media has such a big influence on building and guiding public opinion.

Max2147 · 07-05-09, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Na.. I did not miss the point. It is more along the line how this is presented. She could have given the best interview, and she would still have taken a lot of heat for her answers.

What would have happened if she gave good interviews is irrelevant, because she didn't give them. The simple fact is that she gave some AWFUL interviews, capped off by the Couric interview. You don't need the media to tell you that - the interviews are cringe-worthy enough on their own. Even her speech announcing her resignation was completely incoherent and illogical.

Thomen · 07-06-09, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

What would have happened if she gave good interviews is irrelevant, because she didn't give them. The simple fact is that she gave some AWFUL interviews, capped off by the Couric interview. You don't need the media to tell you that - the interviews are cringe-worthy enough on their own. Even her speech announcing her resignation was completely incoherent and illogical.

If she did give good interviews or not, is your opinion. Hell, a lot of people seem to think she did very well. And there are a lot of people who think she was really bad. It does not matter. Those are opinions, and those opinions will be formed (reinforced, might fit better) on what the media lets the public see.

You are missing the point. It is not important if she is incoherent and illogical. As long as a candidate has the support of the media, it does not matter. Did you miss the gaffes of Joe the Senator and Obamas interview and speeches without a teleprompter?

My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.

Max2147 · 07-06-09, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

If she did give good interviews or not, is your opinion. Hell, a lot of people seem to think she did very well. And there are a lot of people who think she was really bad. It does not matter. Those are opinions, and those opinions will be formed (reinforced, might fit better) on what the media lets the public see.

You are missing the point. It is not important if she is incoherent and illogical. As long as a candidate has the support of the media, it does not matter. Did you miss the gaffes of Joe the Senator and Obamas interview and speeches without a teleprompter?

My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.

Show me one person who thinks that Palin did a good job in that Katie Couric interview. Even the McCain campaign didn't try to spin it that way. Heck, even Palin herself never claimed to do a good job. Saying Palin did badly isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

AVGWarhawk · 07-06-09, 11:26 AM

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My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.

I would agree. Even if Palin did a fantastic job with the interview the media would only focus on what she did wrong. She was fodder as far as the media was concerned. It drew viewership and ratings. Look at Couric now....in the dumps for viewer numbers and ratings. No one to beat up.

I would agree that the interview was at best...devastating to Palin. Such is life. She leaves public life now and moves on.

SteamWake · 07-06-09, 11:44 AM

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Look at Couric now....in the dumps for viewer numbers and ratings. No one to beat up.

One can only imagine the aingst by Couric of having to try to get her as a guest again after the condescending hatchet job she did last time. :rotfl:

mookiemookie · 07-06-09, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

One can only imagine the aingst by Couric of having to try to get her as a guest again after the condescending hatchet job she did last time. :rotfl:

Hatchet job? Asking someone what newspapers they read is a hatchet job? Palin made herself look like a moron without any help from anyone else with her rambling incoherent answers of strung together buzzwords and thought fragments. My favorite was her "bailout" answer set to music:

You guys sure do love to play the victim.

Aramike · 07-06-09, 12:41 PM

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You guys sure do love to play the victim.

I'm just wondering where the equivolent questions where asked of Biden, and why libs tend to Palin-bash at every opportunity while Uncle Joe's weekly screw-ups are by and large dismissed.

You guys sure do love to look at things from only one side...

Max2147 · 07-06-09, 03:24 PM

When has Biden failed to answer a question about what newspapers he reads? When has Biden failed to give a substantive response to the question 'Have you ever been involved in any international negotiations'?

And if you haven't noticed, I'm ripping Biden apart in another thread here. So much for liberals dismissing Biden's screw-ups.

Aramike · 07-06-09, 04:35 PM

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When has Biden failed to answer a question about what newspapers he reads? When has Biden failed to give a substantive response to the question 'Have you ever been involved in any international negotiations'?

And if you haven't noticed, I'm ripping Biden apart in another thread here. So much for liberals dismissing Biden's screw-ups.

You missed the point.

The point was, when was Biden even asked these questions?

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Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When has Biden failed to answer a question about what newspapers he reads? When has Biden failed to give a substantive response to the question 'Have you ever been involved in any international negotiations'? And if you haven't noticed, I'm ripping Biden apart in another thread here. So much for liberals dismissing Biden's screw-ups.