Separation of Church and State... - Page 4

Max2147 · 07-04-09, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That's interesting! The space is sold for advertising revenues. Who then decides what is offensive and what isn't. Ads for say, the sex industry, or those using profanity would likely not be allowed. But ads for a service provided by a religious entity would, such as charity pleas and medical care, or Scientology.

Buddahaid

My personal view is that advertisements with a religious or political message should not be allowed on public property, and that includes publicly-owned buses. I think it's fine if a religious group buys advertising space for a non-religious message like a charity drive, but advertising religion itself (or the lack thereof) on public property implies a degree of public (i.e. government) support for that religion, which IMO is a violation of the separation of church and state.

That goes for political messages too. I'd be upset if I saw an "Obama/Biden" advert on a publicly-owned bus, even though I voted for them.

If it's a private company, then it's completely different - they can do whatever they want. But if the buses were bought and/or are operated with tax dollars, then they have to be held to different standards.

Letum · 07-04-09, 11:41 PM

I suspect most publicly funded buses with advertisements are not publicly
owned buses, even if they are fully publicly funded, but that's just a hunch.

Iceman · 07-06-09, 04:20 AM

Seperate Church and State?...

They already are seperate.

I always find it intresting how Christians get upset over this and fail to see the bigger picture. It is taught in the Christian Bible and spoken by Christ Himself on the cross that if His kingdom were of this world, would not have 10 legions of angels came and took Him from the cross....His kingdom is not of this world nor are His chosen...they are alien.

Christ lived his whole life to show the believer how to overcome...He did overturn the money changers table , He did speak to the wrongs and follys of man yet bare the full brunt of mans evil in silence.

The law was never meant as a path to salvation but to show the errors of man...and they are evident are brought into the light.

God will do battle for His own....God gave free will it is true...many always say...why would God allow such evils in the world...God did not choose the evil we did...He sent the Son to re-open the way back to His grace and yes He will not destroy man but He will not suffer His own to remain in such an evil environment...this is why He will send the Son back....to retrieve His own....and has also prepared a place for those who "Choose" not the way of peace....

Revelation 10
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 19
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 22
11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Peace...

07-04-09, 11:41 PM	#47
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I suspect most publicly funded buses with advertisements are not publicly owned buses, even if they are fully publicly funded, but that's just a hunch. __________________

07-06-09, 04:20 AM	#48
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Seperate Church and State?... They already are seperate. I always find it intresting how Christians get upset over this and fail to see the bigger picture. It is taught in the Christian Bible and spoken by Christ Himself on the cross that if His kingdom were of this world, would not have 10 legions of angels came and took Him from the cross....His kingdom is not of this world nor are His chosen...they are alien. Christ lived his whole life to show the believer how to overcome...He did overturn the money changers table , He did speak to the wrongs and follys of man yet bare the full brunt of mans evil in silence. The law was never meant as a path to salvation but to show the errors of man...and they are evident are brought into the light. God will do battle for His own....God gave free will it is true...many always say...why would God allow such evils in the world...God did not choose the evil we did...He sent the Son to re-open the way back to His grace and yes He will not destroy man but He will not suffer His own to remain in such an evil environment...this is why He will send the Son back....to retrieve His own....and has also prepared a place for those who "Choose" not the way of peace.... Revelation 10 5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 19 11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 22 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Peace...