VIIB vs. VIIC What is the difference?

Shrike37 · 06-25-09, 10:31 AM

I was just reading the SH3 manual and noticed that the VIIC was the primary Uboot of the war, an upgrade of the VIIB. However, all the stats seem to be about the same or worse than the VIIB. So what is going on? The only possible thing I can imagine is that the VIIC was used cost saving features and that is why it was built and used more than the VIIB...

Is there any real difference in game between the two boat others than the slightly slower speed and slightly faster dive time?

BulSoldier · 06-25-09, 10:33 AM

VIIC has more fuel

i think.

EDIT: yes I the upgrades for VIIB are rather limited.

papa_smurf · 06-25-09, 10:35 AM

You can install better equipment/conning towers on the VII/C.

Shrike37 · 06-25-09, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

VIIC has more fuel

Is it a misprint in the manual then? It lists them both as having a 6500 nm endurance (with the VIIC having a 10nm less submerged endurance).

mookiemookie · 06-25-09, 10:42 AM

If I remember right, the main upgrades of the VIIC were in the mechanical and electrical systems of the boat, making it a bit heavier than the VIIB. I don't think this is something that can really be reflected in the game and the performance of your boat, aside from the availability of upgrades. The VIIC gets more than the VIIB.

Bent Periscope · 06-25-09, 11:49 AM

VIIC could travel a little further but was larger and heavier so it was slightly slower. Also, I think that they can get more of the new technology in the later years.

RoaldLarsen · 06-26-09, 04:17 PM

The pressure hull of the VIIC was 1.5m longer, so they could fit in more equipment and more people to run that equipment. It had the same power plant, so the VIIC was a bit slower than the VIIB.

That extra equpment could include new or improved communication and detection equipment, better medical supplies, or more anti-aircraft ammunition.

Jimbuna · 06-26-09, 04:34 PM

In gaming terms the VIIC is more upgradeable.

Platapus · 06-26-09, 07:24 PM

Other than the flak upgrades/superstructure upgrades can the VIIB get all the other upgrades (engines, radar detectors and such)?

Akmatov · 06-27-09, 11:27 AM

Checking a few references, other than the facts that the VIIC was a bit longer, a bit slower and drew a bit more water (all previously mentioned); the two types appear identical. One reference stated that the VIIC had 50m more diving depth, but diving depth is not commonly referenced so I don't know if that is correct. In-game both seem to have a max safe depth of 150m. One reference seemed to suggest that political or ease-of-construction factors may have been the reason for the focus on the VIIC.

I suspect that in the design work that added the extra 1.5m, some simplification for construction work was also done.

onelifecrisis · 06-27-09, 12:08 PM

In-game, the VIIC can dive deeper than the VIIB (although it might not say so in the on-screen stats).

meduza · 06-27-09, 12:37 PM

VIIC dives a bit faster than VIIB.

Pohl · 06-27-09, 08:57 PM

I might....trade my IXB for a VIIC, but I still don't know I sure will miss the extra torpedo capacity and since I have a high renown so far I want to wait for a IXD2 or maybe the mighty XXI

Jimbuna · 06-28-09, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pohl

I might....trade my IXB for a VIIC, but I still don't know I sure will miss the extra torpedo capacity and since I have a high renown so far I want to wait for a IXD2 or maybe the mighty XXI

I may be biaised but I'd hang on for the IXD2

Pohl · 06-28-09, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I may be biaised but I'd hang on for the IXD2

Still 1 year and 6 months for it to become avilable

hopefully I'll gather the renown needed for it....something near 12k and I have like 4k

06-25-09, 10:31 AM	#1
Shrike37 Watch Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 28 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	VIIB vs. VIIC What is the difference? I was just reading the SH3 manual and noticed that the VIIC was the primary Uboot of the war, an upgrade of the VIIB. However, all the stats seem to be about the same or worse than the VIIB. So what is going on? The only possible thing I can imagine is that the VIIC was used cost saving features and that is why it was built and used more than the VIIB... Is there any real difference in game between the two boat others than the slightly slower speed and slightly faster dive time?

06-25-09, 10:33 AM	#2
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	VIIC has more fuel i think. EDIT: yes I the upgrades for VIIB are rather limited. __________________ By the hour !

06-25-09, 10:35 AM	#3
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	You can install better equipment/conning towers on the VII/C. __________________

06-25-09, 10:42 AM	#5
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	If I remember right, the main upgrades of the VIIC were in the mechanical and electrical systems of the boat, making it a bit heavier than the VIIB. I don't think this is something that can really be reflected in the game and the performance of your boat, aside from the availability of upgrades. The VIIC gets more than the VIIB. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

06-26-09, 04:34 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In gaming terms the VIIC is more upgradeable. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-25-09, 11:49 AM	#6
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	VIIC could travel a little further but was larger and heavier so it was slightly slower. Also, I think that they can get more of the new technology in the later years.

06-26-09, 04:17 PM	#7
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	The pressure hull of the VIIC was 1.5m longer, so they could fit in more equipment and more people to run that equipment. It had the same power plant, so the VIIC was a bit slower than the VIIB. That extra equpment could include new or improved communication and detection equipment, better medical supplies, or more anti-aircraft ammunition.

06-26-09, 07:24 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Other than the flak upgrades/superstructure upgrades can the VIIB get all the other upgrades (engines, radar detectors and such)? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-27-09, 11:27 AM	#10
Akmatov Seaman Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Desert, USA Posts: 38 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Checking a few references, other than the facts that the VIIC was a bit longer, a bit slower and drew a bit more water (all previously mentioned); the two types appear identical. One reference stated that the VIIC had 50m more diving depth, but diving depth is not commonly referenced so I don't know if that is correct. In-game both seem to have a max safe depth of 150m. One reference seemed to suggest that political or ease-of-construction factors may have been the reason for the focus on the VIIC. I suspect that in the design work that added the extra 1.5m, some simplification for construction work was also done.

06-27-09, 12:08 PM	#11
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	In-game, the VIIC can dive deeper than the VIIB (although it might not say so in the on-screen stats). __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

06-27-09, 12:37 PM	#12
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	VIIC dives a bit faster than VIIB. __________________

06-27-09, 08:57 PM	#13
Pohl Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 157 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I might....trade my IXB for a VIIC, but I still don't know I sure will miss the extra torpedo capacity and since I have a high renown so far I want to wait for a IXD2 or maybe the mighty XXI __________________ Current Careers: U-177 Type IXD2, 10th Flotilla March 13, 1943 U-3502 Type XXI, 7th/13th Flotilla April 14, 1942 100% realism, GWX 3.0, SH3 Commander 3.2