Pirate Party Nabs Political Seat

[Aramike]

http://af.reuters.com/article/oddlyE...55623320090607

The party wants to deregulate copyright, abolish the patent system and reduce surveillance on the Internet.

How freakin' stupid can people get? Making everything free is a surefire way to make nothing available, and demotivate others from producing the stuff that these people so desperately want free access to.

[SteamWake]

I think there referring to 'free content' you know like you tube and pornhub.

[Letum]

It's a surefire way to make the information industry switch to service based
products and that is slowly happening anyway.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I think there referring to 'free content' you know like you tube and pornhub.

Where do you get that from?

They want to deregulate copyright and abolish the patent system - this seems to appear to be more geared towards what is currently illegal downloading.

[Stealth Hunter]

I'd like the no Internet surveillance part, but that's just because I sometimes... do it.

But that's no excuse and not a good reason to try and justify it on my part.

I would not support these people, as a pirate myself, and you are right. These people ARE idiots. I mean, the PATENT SYSTEM?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Perhaps this should be seen as a demonstration that people are willing to support independent parties more nowadays?

[antikristuseke]

Indeed, a few weeks ago the Moustache Carryi8ng Party of Estonia was formed here, their platform is completely retarded and they are likely to get some seats in the next election.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Perhaps this should be seen as a demonstration that people are willing to support independent parties more nowadays?

I'm not sure that's a good thing, however - especially in cases where the parties are oriented towards a single issue.

Isn't it something that off a 20 dollar CD the artist gets like 25 Cents? The pirateparty I think wants to stop this.

The pirate party, as far as I know, wants to remove the power of the entertainment industries so they stop trying to screw people with DRM and such.

Edit: heres their site.

http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english

[jahlmeen]

It's basically a reaction coming from this:

FRA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law
IPRED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directi...roperty_rights

Voters are generally protest voters concerned about their rights along with "pirates".

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Isn't it something that off a 20 dollar CD the artist gets like 25 Cents? The pirateparty I think wants to stop this.

The pirate party, as far as I know, wants to remove the power of the entertainment industries so they stop trying to screw people with DRM and such.

Edit: heres their site.

http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english

It really should be up to the political system to accomodate parties that are nothing more than special interest groups looking to interfere with private industy.

Originally Posted by Aramike

It really should be up to the political system to accomodate parties that are nothing more than special interest groups looking to interfere with private industy.

Still better then all the other political parties who are populated with Conservative old men.

Probably the only political party I could say I'm aligned with, besides the Fascist Dictator party that I will announce my candidacy too, once I become emperor of Earth.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Still better then all the other political parties who are populated with Conservative old men.

That's an ideologically biased comment if there's ever been one.

Originally Posted by Aramike

That's an ideologically biased comment if there's ever been one.

So? My opinion is usually better then the other sides opinion.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Aramike

http://af.reuters.com/article/oddlyE...55623320090607

How freakin' stupid can people get? Making everything free is a surefire way to make nothing available, and demotivate others from producing the stuff that these people so desperately want free access to.

In practice, this is already more or less happening with copyright (how many people really get bagged for BTing - it is effectively a lawless land), but while the guys are complaining, I still see plenty of adequately motivated people.

The entire concept of copyright and patenting is really an anti-freedom measure. It cannot, IMO, be really justified deontologically (like the freedom of speech might), and certainly not enough to override a higher freedom.

It has been argued that if some thief is running off with your property, and your only options are to gun him down or let him off, you are morally obliged to let him run off with your property because Property rights are deontologically subordinate to the Right of Life. The situation with Intellectual Property is similar, if it can even be justified deontologically at all it is at the bottom of the totem pole.

Thus, its entire justification is utilitarian, and the present flow actually suggests that the utilitarian justification isn't as good as theorized, which leaves the loss side.

Probably, some KIND of copyright and patent law is required - the current de facto near loss of control situation with copyright doesn't seem to be hurting creativity very much (and the number of people actually benefitting from creativity has clearly increased!), but admittedly we aren't sure what will happen if the loss of control becomes pro forma.

However, it is IMO quite clear that the current copyright and patent laws are very broken on the side of the big corporations and the current copyright law (based on the hoardes of BTers) can't even be seriously enforced. A properly reformed copyright law will probably have a greater moral justification, which may actually improve voluntary compliance.