My way or the highway !

SteamWake · 03-03-09, 12:17 PM

Russian president Dmitri Medvedev

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If the Obama administration showed "common sense" in proposing a "common shield against all types of threats" and reconsidered its plans of a missile defence system which could target Russia, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate, Medvedev said.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...n--update.html

August · 03-03-09, 12:25 PM

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If the Obama administration showed "common sense" in proposing a "common shield against all types of threats" and reconsidered its plans of a missile defence system which could target Russia, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate, Medvedev said.

Somebody needs to tell this guy that missile defense systems only target incoming missiles, not territory.

Schroeder · 03-03-09, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Somebody needs to tell this guy that missile defense systems only target incoming missiles, not territory.

Are you sure about that? If I were a Russian I would only see new missles close to my borders. Who guarantees me that those things can't be used for offensive missions?

I guess the Russians won't be allowed to inspect the missle shield installations frequently, will they?

You know Germany only defended itself in 1939 against Poland.

August · 03-03-09, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Are you sure about that? If I were a Russian I would only see new missles close to my borders. Who guarantees me that those things can't be used for offensive missions?

I guess the Russians won't be allowed to inspect the missle shield installations frequently, will they?

You know Germany only defended itself in 1939 against Poland.

You mean transform a surface to air missile into a strategic weapon delivery system? Ain't that like saying you could use a tank as a battleship?

As for inspections, I don't see why not. Their intended use would certainly strengthen the argument for open inspections.

SteamWake · 03-03-09, 01:32 PM

Oh might also want to point out that all this diatribe is the result of a 'secret' letter sent to the Russian President by the Oministration.

So much for full disclosure.

Im not even going to get into O's plans & promises for the middle east.

Schroeder · 03-03-09, 01:35 PM

@August
Try to see it from the Russian point of view.
Who guarantees you that ALL those missles are just SAMs? I think it is not that difficult to disguise missles as SAMs that are in fact cruise missles or something similar to that.
All Russia sees are new missles close to it's borders and no way to determine for sure what they are.

August · 03-03-09, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

@August
Try to see it from the Russian point of view.
Who guarantees you that ALL those missles are just SAMs? I think it is not that difficult to disguise missles as SAMs that are in fact cruise missles or something similar to that.
All Russia sees are new missles close to it's borders and no way to determine for sure what they are.

Well like I said the purpose of these sites is to defend against Iranian or rogue nation attacks. In that light i'd think that allowing the Russians in for regular inspections would be in order.

Of course similar inspections of new Russian bases in Venezuela might be in order as well. What was it that Reagan said? "Trust but verify"?

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-09, 01:45 PM

A missile is a missile is a missile. Can't say I blame the guy for not wanting these hanging around his neighborhood. I suspect we would feel the same if Russian missiles were say, 80 miles off the coast of the US

What, this sounds familiar

U-84 · 03-03-09, 02:24 PM

The Russians have a history of being paranoid, and i don't blame them at all, every major power has stepped over their land, Germany, France, Kangis Kong, etc etc, I don't blame them, if i were a russian I'd be thinking there would be more than just surface to air missiles...gotta look at the situation through a Russkie point of view.

SteamWake · 03-03-09, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

A missile is a missile is a missile. Can't say I blame the guy for not wanting these hanging around his neighborhood. I suspect we would feel the same if Russian missiles were say, 80 miles off the coast of the US

What, this sounds familiar

Yea I still have childhood memories of being told how to hide under a bed, desk, whatever... duck and cover.

I also remember seeing the sudden increase in military air traffic over my neighborhood reinforcing the trepidation. I lived in Miami at the time.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-09, 02:40 PM

So you kind of get the idea what Russia thinks of these missiles parked off their border. It does become a bargaining chip for Russia as we see in this instance.

SteamWake · 03-03-09, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

So you kind of get the idea what Russia thinks of these missiles parked off their border. It does become a bargaining chip for Russia as we see in this instance.

Well I understood that to begin with. The point was really about the Russian Pres. dictating to the Oministration.

A small taste of the realitys of foriegn affairs.

Enigma · 03-03-09, 03:26 PM

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Well I understood that to begin with. The point was really about the Russian Pres. dictating to the Oministration. A small taste of the realitys of foriegn affairs.

No it wasn't The point you were trying to make was that Obama lacks common sense.

Once again, you spin....you said Mouse!

SteamWake · 03-03-09, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

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Well I understood that to begin with. The point was really about the Russian Pres. dictating to the Oministration. A small taste of the realitys of foriegn affairs.

No it wasn't The point you were trying to make was that Obama lacks common sense.

Once again, you spin....you said Mouse!

That was the russian Presidents words not mine.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-09, 03:31 PM

Obama lacks a lot when it comes to foreign affairs. Hopefully his understanding of human nature will help him through.

03-03-09, 01:32 PM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Oh might also want to point out that all this diatribe is the result of a 'secret' letter sent to the Russian President by the Oministration. So much for full disclosure. Im not even going to get into O's plans & promises for the middle east. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-03-09, 01:35 PM	#6
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	@August Try to see it from the Russian point of view. Who guarantees you that ALL those missles are just SAMs? I think it is not that difficult to disguise missles as SAMs that are in fact cruise missles or something similar to that. All Russia sees are new missles close to it's borders and no way to determine for sure what they are. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

03-03-09, 01:45 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,287 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	A missile is a missile is a missile. Can't say I blame the guy for not wanting these hanging around his neighborhood. I suspect we would feel the same if Russian missiles were say, 80 miles off the coast of the US What, this sounds familiar __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-03-09, 02:24 PM	#9
U-84 Medic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: under you in my VIIC Posts: 168 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Russians have a history of being paranoid, and i don't blame them at all, every major power has stepped over their land, Germany, France, Kangis Kong, etc etc, I don't blame them, if i were a russian I'd be thinking there would be more than just surface to air missiles...gotta look at the situation through a Russkie point of view. __________________ Never fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning- Field Marshall Erwin Rommel Courage is being scared to death, but saddeling up anyways- John Wayne

03-03-09, 02:40 PM	#11
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,287 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	So you kind of get the idea what Russia thinks of these missiles parked off their border. It does become a bargaining chip for Russia as we see in this instance. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-03-09, 03:31 PM	#15
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,287 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Obama lacks a lot when it comes to foreign affairs. Hopefully his understanding of human nature will help him through. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road