Obama ticks off whiners? - Page 2

Fr8monkey · 02-18-09, 06:06 PM

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

August · 02-18-09, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

Well that's your perspective anyways...

Fr8monkey · 02-18-09, 06:29 PM

Not from what I have read in this forum atleast.

Platapus · 02-18-09, 06:30 PM

This forum, while very nice, is hardly a sample of America.

AVGWarhawk · 02-18-09, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past.

baggygreen · 02-18-09, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past.

Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

CaptainHaplo · 02-18-09, 08:27 PM

I am no Bushie - nor am I an Obamaknight.

I tore my hair out when the R's under Bush created a 700 BILLION dollar stimulus package, and called it a horrible move. I was right - it did jack squat. Now we have another one - with another Trillion dollar package already in the works for next year.

All three are terrible decisions - regardless of the letter beside the person's name.

The war in Iraq was not a bad war - it simply was carried out wrong. Now the progress that has been made, is possibly lost due to political promises made - that also is a bad move. However, if a drawdown is done as the leaders on the ground insist is necessary - then progress can be salvaged.

As for Afghanistan - isn't it odd that Obama is reproducing the surge that he claimed had no effect in Iraq, said in his debates that the same strategy would fail in Afghanistan, yet he is now finding it the best course......

Ultimately I have already given the guy a chance - and so far he has failed to live up to what he has promised.

#1 No lobbyists in his administration. He broke that promise before even being sworn in.
#2 Transparency in his and governments actions - yet HIS justice department - withi his ok - is refusing to present documention that has been requested under FoIA.
#3 No cronyism/corruption - instead he would restore dignity and trust to government. - so far he has appointed at least THREE people who couldn't even be straight enough to pay their own taxes - boy thats reassuring....
#4 Every bill he signs will be posted for 5 days for public feedback and review before he signs/vetoes it - uhm... the stimulus/porkulus bill was up for less than 48 hours in its final form before he signed it. Not to mention that when it was in the House/Senate "agreement" committee - the final draft that both sides went to lobbiests before the actual senators and representatives offices got them. How about that cleaned up government thats going to be FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
#5 He got on national TV the other night - prime time - and flat out lied to the American People. He said there were no pork projects, no special interest money in the bill..... How much goes to ACORN again? How much for local projects wanted by this senator or that representative? Those are the definitions of pork projects and special interests.

I didn't give Bush a pass on his mistakes and falsehoods - and I won't give Obama any free passes either.

AVGWarhawk · 02-18-09, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past.

Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

Exactly baggy...you nailed it on the head. Indoctrination, not critical thinking, is what is happening.

surf_ten · 02-18-09, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past.

Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

Exactly baggy...you nailed it on the head. Indoctrination, not critical thinking, is what is happening.

It's a good thing than Obama is doubling the education department budget to speed up the indoctrination process. Plus our kids need more condoms.

Enigma · 02-18-09, 09:33 PM

Education is the silver bullet.

Kapitan_Phillips · 02-18-09, 09:37 PM

Wait, was Obama just compared to Hitler?

JetSnake · 02-18-09, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I am no Bushie - nor am I an Obamaknight.

I tore my hair out when the R's under Bush created a 700 BILLION dollar stimulus package, and called it a horrible move. I was right - it did jack squat. Now we have another one - with another Trillion dollar package already in the works for next year.

All three are terrible decisions - regardless of the letter beside the person's name.

The war in Iraq was not a bad war - it simply was carried out wrong. Now the progress that has been made, is possibly lost due to political promises made - that also is a bad move. However, if a drawdown is done as the leaders on the ground insist is necessary - then progress can be salvaged.

As for Afghanistan - isn't it odd that Obama is reproducing the surge that he claimed had no effect in Iraq, said in his debates that the same strategy would fail in Afghanistan, yet he is now finding it the best course......

Ultimately I have already given the guy a chance - and so far he has failed to live up to what he has promised.

#1 No lobbyists in his administration. He broke that promise before even being sworn in.
#2 Transparency in his and governments actions - yet HIS justice department - withi his ok - is refusing to present documention that has been requested under FoIA.
#3 No cronyism/corruption - instead he would restore dignity and trust to government. - so far he has appointed at least THREE people who couldn't even be straight enough to pay their own taxes - boy thats reassuring....
#4 Every bill he signs will be posted for 5 days for public feedback and review before he signs/vetoes it - uhm... the stimulus/porkulus bill was up for less than 48 hours in its final form before he signed it. Not to mention that when it was in the House/Senate "agreement" committee - the final draft that both sides went to lobbiests before the actual senators and representatives offices got them. How about that cleaned up government thats going to be FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
#5 He got on national TV the other night - prime time - and flat out lied to the American People. He said there were no pork projects, no special interest money in the bill..... How much goes to ACORN again? How much for local projects wanted by this senator or that representative? Those are the definitions of pork projects and special interests.

I didn't give Bush a pass on his mistakes and falsehoods - and I won't give Obama any free passes either.

The kenyan has bamboozled 65million Americans to give him a chance to "change" the way things are done. He is now cashing in that political capital given to people who for the most part thought the Republicans were in complete control of all 3 branches of government for the past 8 years.

The funny part is, after 3 weeks in ultimate power, all of the obots I know are hanging their heads in shame, seeing that they have been hoodwinked by the "one". I have never seen a rapid disillusion with a politician yet. Typically it takes a couple of years. But this guy and the stellar administration he has managed to keep together at this point (barring anymore appointees with tax and ethics problems). Is surely setting records.

Of course the government-media complex will not paint it that way. Now if they can only go after the pundits on the radio and internet and their complete control of information will be complete.

Iceman · 02-18-09, 10:03 PM

I saw the other day Obama asked point blank if he will change the policy to let the coffins of U.S. service men to be filmed and put on the news like was done I guess in past wars...he dodged the question...dork ...instead of saying yes like his worshipers wanted....and as his budy Obiden had said..."we should not be sneaking them back into the country"...I agree...people need to see and know the cost of War...and the Cost of failure...this in my opinion was a mistake not to make it more public....when the people saw 2000 people get squashed like bugs in the WTC's it pissed some people off and some action was taken....well when I see my brothers coming back home not the same way they left it pisses me off too and want them to be able to finish what was started...until they / the president or military leaders, deem it to be resolved...and can say...we did it right, we did it the best that could be done...we did something to fight the *******s in the world and to make a difference.

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Where are all the anti-war whiners????

They will show up sooner or later. Hate to say it, when the soldiers who died over there return home.

August · 02-18-09, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

I agree...people need to see and know the cost of War...and the Cost of failure...this in my opinion was a mistake not to make it more public....

I'm not too hot on the idea of using the bodies of our slain soldiers to increase media ratings which is what this flap is all about.

02-19-09, 06:14 AM

You guys are under the wrong impression that Obama is measured the same way Bush was when he came to Power. Clinton, at least overseas, was a respected president. The Lewinsky affair actually made him more human and sympathethic over here, unlike in the US where he was kinda demonized. Then came Bush, and sh*t hit the fan. For 8 years he dragged down the american reputation to levels never seen before. By now it is kinda set knowledge that the US is a country willing to accept torture, war mongering and a screwed up justice system where ppl can be kidnapped and hold without trial as a way of life, kinda like the Soviet Union in times of the cold war. Obama to Bush is like Gorbachev to Brezhenev, far away from a a shining leader, bound by a population that in large parts still approve and support the road to become the worlds biggest baddie and see both foreign folks and their own soldiers throw their lives away, but idealistic enough too give some hope to ppl.

As I said, though, I fear, like Gorbachev, he is too idealistic for his own country, which is pretty obvious especially in here where ppl can't let go of the old, convinient ways.

02-18-09, 06:06 PM	#16
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-18-09, 06:29 PM	#18
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Not from what I have read in this forum atleast. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-18-09, 06:30 PM	#19
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	This forum, while very nice, is hardly a sample of America. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-18-09, 08:27 PM	#22
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I am no Bushie - nor am I an Obamaknight. I tore my hair out when the R's under Bush created a 700 BILLION dollar stimulus package, and called it a horrible move. I was right - it did jack squat. Now we have another one - with another Trillion dollar package already in the works for next year. All three are terrible decisions - regardless of the letter beside the person's name. The war in Iraq was not a bad war - it simply was carried out wrong. Now the progress that has been made, is possibly lost due to political promises made - that also is a bad move. However, if a drawdown is done as the leaders on the ground insist is necessary - then progress can be salvaged. As for Afghanistan - isn't it odd that Obama is reproducing the surge that he claimed had no effect in Iraq, said in his debates that the same strategy would fail in Afghanistan, yet he is now finding it the best course...... Ultimately I have already given the guy a chance - and so far he has failed to live up to what he has promised. #1 No lobbyists in his administration. He broke that promise before even being sworn in. #2 Transparency in his and governments actions - yet HIS justice department - withi his ok - is refusing to present documention that has been requested under FoIA. #3 No cronyism/corruption - instead he would restore dignity and trust to government. - so far he has appointed at least THREE people who couldn't even be straight enough to pay their own taxes - boy thats reassuring.... #4 Every bill he signs will be posted for 5 days for public feedback and review before he signs/vetoes it - uhm... the stimulus/porkulus bill was up for less than 48 hours in its final form before he signed it. Not to mention that when it was in the House/Senate "agreement" committee - the final draft that both sides went to lobbiests before the actual senators and representatives offices got them. How about that cleaned up government thats going to be FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE. #5 He got on national TV the other night - prime time - and flat out lied to the American People. He said there were no pork projects, no special interest money in the bill..... How much goes to ACORN again? How much for local projects wanted by this senator or that representative? Those are the definitions of pork projects and special interests. I didn't give Bush a pass on his mistakes and falsehoods - and I won't give Obama any free passes either. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-18-09, 09:33 PM	#25
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Education is the silver bullet. __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

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Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Wait, was Obama just compared to Hitler? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

02-19-09, 06:14 AM	#30
Bewolf Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	You guys are under the wrong impression that Obama is measured the same way Bush was when he came to Power. Clinton, at least overseas, was a respected president. The Lewinsky affair actually made him more human and sympathethic over here, unlike in the US where he was kinda demonized. Then came Bush, and sh*t hit the fan. For 8 years he dragged down the american reputation to levels never seen before. By now it is kinda set knowledge that the US is a country willing to accept torture, war mongering and a screwed up justice system where ppl can be kidnapped and hold without trial as a way of life, kinda like the Soviet Union in times of the cold war. Obama to Bush is like Gorbachev to Brezhenev, far away from a a shining leader, bound by a population that in large parts still approve and support the road to become the worlds biggest baddie and see both foreign folks and their own soldiers throw their lives away, but idealistic enough too give some hope to ppl. As I said, though, I fear, like Gorbachev, he is too idealistic for his own country, which is pretty obvious especially in here where ppl can't let go of the old, convinient ways.