[REL] VAA soviet battleships - Page 2

tater · 01-01-09, 10:03 PM

They'd need to be added to a campaign.

If there are no russian campaign layers pulling "generic" warships, you'll never see them.

tater

GerritJ9 · 01-02-09, 05:22 AM

"Sevastopol" was renamed "Parishkaya Kommuna" in the 1920s, but reverted to her original name in 1943. "Gangut" was renamed "Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya" and retained this name to the end of her career. "Petropavlovsk" became "Marat" and was sunk in shallow water off Kronshtadt by Stukas.in September 1941. Two of her main turrets were restored to service, but the wreck was never fully repaired and was scrapped postwar. The fourth ship, "Poltava", was renamed "Mikhail Frunze" but was never commissioned in the Soviet Navy, as she was severely damaged by two fires and not considered worth repairing, though the hulk was not scrapped until the 1950s.
Ironically, the only significant parts of Russia's dreadnought fleet still in existence come from "Poltava/Frunze". Her four main turrets were removed and placed in storage, and two were shipped to Vladivostok in the 1930s, where they were installed in a shore battery on Russky Ostrov. The other two turrets remained in storage until Fort Maksim Gorky, which was destroyed during the siege of Sevastopol in 1942, was rebuilt postwar. These triple turrets replaced Gorky's original twin 12" turrets. All four turrets remained in service for many years, only being decommissioned in the 1990s, and can now be inspected by visitors/tourists.

Te Kaha · 03-01-09, 03:59 PM

There's also a picture of the French BB Dunkerque, but couldn't find the download. Does anyone know if and where it is available?

jmardlin · 03-02-09, 02:52 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...unkerque-1.jpg Here is a picture of the Dunkerque. wiki has several others Here are more http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...icial%26sa%3DN

Te Kaha · 03-02-09, 06:14 AM

Thanks jmardlin, maybe I wasn't precise enough, but I was asking for the download of the Dunkerque model as shown on the 4th picture at the link of post #1.

Starforce2 · 03-02-09, 10:45 AM

where would one find soviet naval power in ww2? Norway?

Hunter · 03-02-09, 12:16 PM

Actually only in Kronshtadt base on Baltic sea and Sevastopol and Poti harbours on Black sea were those old battleships had spent the entire wartime. Sea war on the east took place mostly in support of ground battles due to limited theaters and lack of axis naval forces arround. As for convoy duties in areas affected by German submarines the most active area was the Arctic on North fro Norway, but the largest Soviet ships there were destroyers of "7", Novik and Town classes as well as submarines.

miner1436 · 08-06-09, 08:16 PM

Does anyone still have this mod? The link won't work.

denis_469 · 08-06-09, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by miner1436

Does anyone still have this mod? The link won't work.

Write me PM with you e-mail and I send you in letter.

Admiral Von Gerlach · 08-07-09, 12:37 PM

Is there a link still to obtain these Soviet ships? i looked at the link in the openning post and it was just to a forum all in Russian. thanks for any info.

denis_469 · 08-07-09, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

Is there a link still to obtain these Soviet ships? i looked at the link in the openning post and it was just to a forum all in Russian. thanks for any info.

Link in first post is dead... So read my post before you.

Starforce2 · 10-26-09, 10:47 PM

dumb question..did the russians send warships to the pacific for any reason?

Hunter · 10-27-09, 01:31 AM

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dumb question..did the russians send warships to the pacific for any reason?

If you mean battleships, than no 4 of this class were presented only in Baltic, Black and Arctic seas. If you mean navy than there was Pacific fleet based in Vladivostok of 2 Kirov class cruisers, destroyers, submarines etc. During wartime a group of submarines was transferd from Pacific fleet to Arctic one via Pacific ocean, Panama channel and Atlantic. Other Pacific fleet ships stayed in homewaters as USSR stayed in armed neutrality with Japan till 9 August 1945.

Admiral Von Gerlach · 10-27-09, 01:42 AM

There was a brief war between the Soviets and Japan in 1939 some 15,000 Japanese combat casualties..dont know about Russian. After that, STalin very craftily kept peace with Japan even tho he sort of promised the Allies to go to war with them.... he only declared war at the very end of the conflict to gain territory in Manchuria and regain some lost resources. It is a gray area for western historians and I would welcome knowning more about it. Sadly the Russian Navy was decimated by purges and the experienced officers were few and far between. The "soviet" cells of equals did not work too well on shipboard in actual action. it was a sad state for a once very proud navy that was started with great effort by Peter the Great. The sad remnants of the WWI era fleet lingered on some of them, in Medditerranean ports with surviving Imperial Russian Naval officers and their familes embarked and living as sea gypsies. I dont know what happened to those wandering Czarist Fleet units but it was a remarkable time.

The Gangut class were an interesting and revolutinary (no pun intended) concept that was not followed by many other navies. There was little top hamper to impede gun action, the Russian experience from the Russon Japanese war and the fleeting and fast nature of actions in the Baltic in WWI had taken them down some unusual paths in ship design. It never had much action, so it is hard to judge if the idea was a succes or not. But due to the purges there was literaly no way to crew those huge ships successfully and they were usually used as mobile batteries when there was amunition for their guns and fuel and parts to make them run.

There was no way to find a link for downloading...or any way to tell which area of that forum had the ships...can anyone post a link for the actual download and the section about the mod? thanks

Hunter · 10-28-09, 02:06 AM

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STalin very craftily kept peace with Japan even tho he sort of promised the Allies to go to war with them.... he only declared war at the very end of the conflict to gain territory in Manchuria and regain some lost resources. It is a gray area for western historians and I would welcome knowning more about it.

There is no enigma. Soviet participation in war with Japan after achiving victory over Germany, which was concidered by Allies as principal goal of the war was negotiated at the Great Three conferences in Tehran, Yalta, and Potsdam. I think there should be a lot books in those conferences.

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But due to the purges there was literaly no way to crew those huge ships successfully and they were usually used as mobile batteries when there was amunition for their guns and fuel and parts to make them run.

Actully, there is little connection between purges and Gamgut class way of deploying as well as defeats of 1941 as it has many reasons. The Gaguts were designed to be mobile batteries to enforce mine and artillery barrage planed by Russian Imperial Naval Staff for defence of the capital in St.Petersburg during WW1. In similar role they were used after the Germans had locked Soviet Fleet in the eastern part of Baltic sea by mines. Concidering that they had no place to sail secured from mines and their ammo which was produced during WW1 and stored in Kronstadt - the base were they have spent the whole war, the only problem was German dive bombers.

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I dont know what happened to those wandering Czarist Fleet units but it was a remarkable time.

They were disbanded and ships scrapped for depts during 1920s after France has offivialy recognised Soviet Russia.

01-02-09, 05:22 AM	#17
GerritJ9 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 389 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 6	"Sevastopol" was renamed "Parishkaya Kommuna" in the 1920s, but reverted to her original name in 1943. "Gangut" was renamed "Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya" and retained this name to the end of her career. "Petropavlovsk" became "Marat" and was sunk in shallow water off Kronshtadt by Stukas.in September 1941. Two of her main turrets were restored to service, but the wreck was never fully repaired and was scrapped postwar. The fourth ship, "Poltava", was renamed "Mikhail Frunze" but was never commissioned in the Soviet Navy, as she was severely damaged by two fires and not considered worth repairing, though the hulk was not scrapped until the 1950s. Ironically, the only significant parts of Russia's dreadnought fleet still in existence come from "Poltava/Frunze". Her four main turrets were removed and placed in storage, and two were shipped to Vladivostok in the 1930s, where they were installed in a shore battery on Russky Ostrov. The other two turrets remained in storage until Fort Maksim Gorky, which was destroyed during the siege of Sevastopol in 1942, was rebuilt postwar. These triple turrets replaced Gorky's original twin 12" turrets. All four turrets remained in service for many years, only being decommissioned in the 1990s, and can now be inspected by visitors/tourists. __________________ Quamvis Patiens Acris My SH3/SH4 mods: http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/GerritJ9

03-01-09, 03:59 PM	#18
Te Kaha Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austrian landlubber Posts: 178 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 2	There's also a picture of the French BB Dunkerque, but couldn't find the download. Does anyone know if and where it is available? __________________ "E hoa, ka whawhai tonu mātou, Āke! Āke! Āke!" (Friend, we will fight on forever, forever and forever!) Rewi Maniapoto's reply to British calls for surrender, Orakau, 1864

03-02-09, 02:52 AM	#19
jmardlin Soundman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Millington, MI USA Posts: 145 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 8	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...unkerque-1.jpg Here is a picture of the Dunkerque. wiki has several others Here are more http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...icial%26sa%3DN __________________ http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/jmardlin Last edited by jmardlin; 03-02-09 at 03:03 AM.

03-02-09, 06:14 AM	#20
Te Kaha Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austrian landlubber Posts: 178 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 2	Thanks jmardlin, maybe I wasn't precise enough, but I was asking for the download of the Dunkerque model as shown on the 4th picture at the link of post #1. __________________ "E hoa, ka whawhai tonu mātou, Āke! Āke! Āke!" (Friend, we will fight on forever, forever and forever!) Rewi Maniapoto's reply to British calls for surrender, Orakau, 1864

08-07-09, 12:37 PM	#25
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	Is there a link still to obtain these Soviet ships? i looked at the link in the openning post and it was just to a forum all in Russian. thanks for any info. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

01-01-09, 10:03 PM	#16
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	They'd need to be added to a campaign. If there are no russian campaign layers pulling "generic" warships, you'll never see them. tater

03-02-09, 10:45 AM	#21
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	where would one find soviet naval power in ww2? Norway?

03-02-09, 12:16 PM	#22
Hunter Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: St.Petersburg, Russia Posts: 474 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	Actually only in Kronshtadt base on Baltic sea and Sevastopol and Poti harbours on Black sea were those old battleships had spent the entire wartime. Sea war on the east took place mostly in support of ground battles due to limited theaters and lack of axis naval forces arround. As for convoy duties in areas affected by German submarines the most active area was the Arctic on North fro Norway, but the largest Soviet ships there were destroyers of "7", Novik and Town classes as well as submarines.

08-06-09, 08:16 PM	#23
miner1436 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 808 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 3	Does anyone still have this mod? The link won't work.

10-26-09, 10:47 PM	#27
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	dumb question..did the russians send warships to the pacific for any reason? __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

10-27-09, 01:42 AM	#29
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	There was a brief war between the Soviets and Japan in 1939 some 15,000 Japanese combat casualties..dont know about Russian. After that, STalin very craftily kept peace with Japan even tho he sort of promised the Allies to go to war with them.... he only declared war at the very end of the conflict to gain territory in Manchuria and regain some lost resources. It is a gray area for western historians and I would welcome knowning more about it. Sadly the Russian Navy was decimated by purges and the experienced officers were few and far between. The "soviet" cells of equals did not work too well on shipboard in actual action. it was a sad state for a once very proud navy that was started with great effort by Peter the Great. The sad remnants of the WWI era fleet lingered on some of them, in Medditerranean ports with surviving Imperial Russian Naval officers and their familes embarked and living as sea gypsies. I dont know what happened to those wandering Czarist Fleet units but it was a remarkable time. The Gangut class were an interesting and revolutinary (no pun intended) concept that was not followed by many other navies. There was little top hamper to impede gun action, the Russian experience from the Russon Japanese war and the fleeting and fast nature of actions in the Baltic in WWI had taken them down some unusual paths in ship design. It never had much action, so it is hard to judge if the idea was a succes or not. But due to the purges there was literaly no way to crew those huge ships successfully and they were usually used as mobile batteries when there was amunition for their guns and fuel and parts to make them run. There was no way to find a link for downloading...or any way to tell which area of that forum had the ships...can anyone post a link for the actual download and the section about the mod? thanks __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen. Last edited by Admiral Von Gerlach; 10-27-09 at 01:52 AM.