In the Movies: Operation Valkyrie

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-28-08, 07:53 PM

I just saw the movie Operation Valkyrie starring Tom Cruise. Based on the true story of Claus von Stauffenberg and the German Military Restiance in the plot to assainate Adolf Hitler. All who where involed in the plot where arested and sentenced to death by firing squad. The story of Von Stauffenberg is a testiment that one man can change the world, for better or worse is the desion of that man. Here are some link for the history behind the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

If they had only had been sucessful, what the world would be.

Dowly · 12-28-08, 07:59 PM

I bet after 3 posts, this thread will turn into either a) Tom Cruise hate thread or b) Scientology hate thread. :hmm:

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-28-08, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I bet after 3 posts, this thread will turn into either a) Tom Cruise hate thread or b) Scientology hate thread. :hmm:

Yet is not about eather.

Tchocky · 12-28-08, 08:01 PM

Any good?

Captain Vlad · 12-28-08, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I was thinking about seeing it but was a little leery. How was it?

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-28-08, 08:09 PM

The movie is quite worth seeing, it keeps with the historical facts of the events. The special effects are stunning. Other than that there are only two faults that I have found with the movie, the plane that brings Von Stauffenberg to the Wolfs Lair was not a JU-52 but an HE-111 and the the trucks that where used in the film had Benz markings and not Opel Blitz.

Captain Vlad · 12-28-08, 08:13 PM

I think I can forgive them a couple of vehicles.

A Very Super Market · 12-28-08, 08:43 PM

LOL tom cruse suks an sientology

I didn't go see Valkyrie because I thought it would get arcade-style with the Germans. Might go see now.

mengle · 12-28-08, 11:08 PM

to bad that it is in english

, he manage to speak Japans in The last samurai why not german in this movie, you lose all the charm of the story like this

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-28-08, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mengle

to bad that it is in english

, he manage to speak Japans in The last samurai why not german in this movie, you lose all the charm of the story like this

The start of the movie for the first five to six minutes he does speak german.

kiwi_2005 · 12-29-08, 12:22 AM

I have to see this movie i remeber reading about this in a book, then seen a documentary on it and now theirs a movie out about it with Tom Midget I mean Cruise! Tom might be a retardo but he does make good movies. Gotta give him that.

Schroeder · 12-29-08, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

If they had only had been sucessful, what the world would be.

I don't think it had changed much. Remember it was July 1944. THe west allied had already landed in Normandy and the Russians were pressing westwards. What would it have changed?
The Russians would have never accepted a truce, not while they were on the winning side. And the west? I don't know but that isn't important since the main battles and the biggest threat came from the east.

I think von Stauffenberg and all the others are highly overrated. Just imagine WHEN did they try to get rid of Hitler? July 44 when everyone knew it was over. If they had done that a year earlyier it might had had a chance to change something.

Have a look at those:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

I value them much higher than a bunch of soldiers who did not dare to kill Hitler in an open battle. Stauffenberg met Hitler personally. If he believed so much in Germany and that Hitler had to be eliminated than he had shot him with his pistol instead of planting a bomb.

Oberon · 12-29-08, 07:45 AM

Perhaps a more interesting concept is if the Germans had surrendered to the Western Allies only, thus placing the Soviets in the position of if they continue their westward advance they risk coming into open conflict with the Western Allies. How much would the map of Germany have changed? :hmm: Would the Soviets have accepted a German truce in these circumstances? I know Raptor probably wouldn't

Lurchi · 12-29-08, 07:54 AM

I think it would really made a big difference:

1. The human one: During the last 1 1/2 years of the war there were as many deads as during all the war years before - together. The last part saw an increase in brutality in every respect.
2. The strategic one: After Hitler death an opening of the western Front could have been an option offering the opportunity to thrown everything against the Russians to keep them out of middle Europe. No Arnheim or Ardennes offensive: It would have been the Western Allies who would have reached Berlin and Prague - maybe even Warsaw first, thus putting them in a much better position of at Potsdam.

Skybird · 12-29-08, 08:02 AM

German critics did not give it the cold welcome that was to be expected, but then again the general statement is: it is trivial, with Cruise giving a trivial performance as well, leaving you wondering why anybody would have followed Graf Stauffenberg if he really would have been the way Cruise plays him. Several very inconsistent scenes have been pointed out as well.

From what I read I conclude this film is not one of the better ones, and will be forgotten soon. I have no plans to spend my money on it.

12-28-08, 07:53 PM	#1
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	In the Movies: Operation Valkyrie I just saw the movie Operation Valkyrie starring Tom Cruise. Based on the true story of Claus von Stauffenberg and the German Military Restiance in the plot to assainate Adolf Hitler. All who where involed in the plot where arested and sentenced to death by firing squad. The story of Von Stauffenberg is a testiment that one man can change the world, for better or worse is the desion of that man. Here are some link for the history behind the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot If they had only had been sucessful, what the world would be. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin Last edited by Kptlt. Neuerburg; 12-28-08 at 07:56 PM.

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Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I was thinking about seeing it but was a little leery. How was it? __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

12-28-08, 08:09 PM	#6
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	The movie is quite worth seeing, it keeps with the historical facts of the events. The special effects are stunning. Other than that there are only two faults that I have found with the movie, the plane that brings Von Stauffenberg to the Wolfs Lair was not a JU-52 but an HE-111 and the the trucks that where used in the film had Benz markings and not Opel Blitz. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

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Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I think I can forgive them a couple of vehicles. __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

12-28-08, 07:59 PM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I bet after 3 posts, this thread will turn into either a) Tom Cruise hate thread or b) Scientology hate thread. :hmm:

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A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	LOL tom cruse suks an sientology I didn't go see Valkyrie because I thought it would get arcade-style with the Germans. Might go see now. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

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mengle Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium, mai 1940 Posts: 665 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	to bad that it is in english , he manage to speak Japans in The last samurai why not german in this movie, you lose all the charm of the story like this __________________ IMMER WEITER Gramophone songs http://www.filefront.com/16221983/Ra...gs_Part_I.rar/ http://www.filefront.com/16227547/Ra...s_Part_II.rar/ http://www.filefront.com/16227839/Ra..._Part_III.rar/

12-29-08, 12:22 AM	#11
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	I have to see this movie i remeber reading about this in a book, then seen a documentary on it and now theirs a movie out about it with Tom Midget I mean Cruise! Tom might be a retardo but he does make good movies. Gotta give him that. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

12-29-08, 07:45 AM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Perhaps a more interesting concept is if the Germans had surrendered to the Western Allies only, thus placing the Soviets in the position of if they continue their westward advance they risk coming into open conflict with the Western Allies. How much would the map of Germany have changed? :hmm: Would the Soviets have accepted a German truce in these circumstances? I know Raptor probably wouldn't

12-29-08, 07:54 AM	#14
Lurchi Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wilhelmshaven, Germany Posts: 181 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I think it would really made a big difference: 1. The human one: During the last 1 1/2 years of the war there were as many deads as during all the war years before - together. The last part saw an increase in brutality in every respect. 2. The strategic one: After Hitler death an opening of the western Front could have been an option offering the opportunity to thrown everything against the Russians to keep them out of middle Europe. No Arnheim or Ardennes offensive: It would have been the Western Allies who would have reached Berlin and Prague - maybe even Warsaw first, thus putting them in a much better position of at Potsdam. Last edited by Lurchi; 12-29-08 at 07:55 AM.

12-29-08, 08:02 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German critics did not give it the cold welcome that was to be expected, but then again the general statement is: it is trivial, with Cruise giving a trivial performance as well, leaving you wondering why anybody would have followed Graf Stauffenberg if he really would have been the way Cruise plays him. Several very inconsistent scenes have been pointed out as well. From what I read I conclude this film is not one of the better ones, and will be forgotten soon. I have no plans to spend my money on it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.