Stopping by to gloat....;

I was not comparing him to Hitler

Errrrrr..... you said his secret army of nazi dentists was Obama forming his own gestapo.

Actually, I do quite well at this.

You certainly do, if your intention is to make yourself look very silly.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

lol I haven't, you keep saying that, trying to twist it.I used to respect you a bit, but you seem to have drank the kool aid. ah well

I am not desirous of your respect, as your style of argument is inherently disrespectful. What value would I place on the respect of someone who clearly has none for others? No, in this case all that matters is fact, and on that you are severely lacking.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Quotes from Obama's book............Page 99-101

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." Yes obama was talking about avoiding being see with people so he was not seen as a "sell out".

Pg. 101-102......
"Tim was not a conscious brother. Tim wore argyle sweaters and pressed jeans and talked like Beaver Cleaver. He planned to major in business. His white girlfriend was probably waiting for him up in his room, listening to country music."

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Those are just a couple, sure my opponents will argue context as an excuse but he said them, they are racist thoughts and his actions as president in different incidents involving race shows he still harbors such feelings.

Context? No, and thanks for trying to divert honest discussion by predicting that others will say what you want them to say.

No, I will argue that Obama could not possibly be dangerous because he is so very stupid. If he really had a secret agenda do you think he would say it in front of everybody like that? It looks to me like he's being honest and up front about his youth, and showing how he's grown. Only a complete idiot would admit to current racism in those terms. It looks to me like your seeing not what he was saying, but what you wanted to hear.

A white guy running ever said such things? LOL he would never have made it through primaries.

Only because the white guys you appreciate aren't capable of being that honest. Try again.

There was one really offense line about when he found out his grandfather in africa worked for a white man still, the term "house ******" came to mind.

Did he use that term, or did you? I notice you don't quote that passage.

[Dowly]

Jebus on a batmobile, wait for me! I was gone for 2 hours and it's 3-4 pages ahead already.

Whats going on?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Jebus on a batmobile, wait for me! I was gone for 2 hours and it's 3-4 pages ahead already.

Whats going on?

Nothing really. I'm just bored this evening. I was thinking about playing some Street Fighter against Hunter, but I switched from a gamepad to a proper arcade stick this week on my wife's advice and I still kind of suck at it. So, I played this game instead.

I probably should have went with Street Fighter, but meh.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I argue, given recent actions, lifelong associations etc, the evidence shows he never grew out of his "angry young man phase", obama still has a chip on his shoulder towards white people and those who have money. While he has made money, he feels guilty about it, believes that white relatively well off people owe those without, especially minorities.That is where his marxist views come into play and why he continues to push idiotic economic policies.

Show me how obama is no longer in what you call a phase? Obama's use of the race card, only appointing minority women to the supreme court, his actions in various incidents I previously listed shows he is still that angry, bigoted young man at heart.

Even if all that is true, it has absolutely nothing to do with hidden agendas and attempts to take over the country completely. We have had many presidents who were heavily flawed, and have even been called racist. You take to different concepts, "Angry young man" and "Marxist" and put them together to prove a point. "Angry young man" and "Racist" are certainly not wholesome, but neither are they overtly dangerous. "Marxist economy" is something to argue against, and many of us do, but your original theme for this thread was that Obama is setting up secret training camps to enforce his evil will on the country. Having been shown that any evidence for that was faked, you now try to prove that what he wrote about his different feelings when he was young indicates that he is dangerously biased today.

I could write things about my youth that would make you want to have me locked up as criminally insane. You need to admit that you have a highly biased agenda that controls and colors everything you think and say.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Nothing really. I'm just bored this evening. I was thinking about playing some Street Fighter against Hunter, but I switched from a gamepad to a proper arcade stick this week on my wife's advice and I still kind of suck at it. So, I played this game instead.

I probably should have went with Street Fighter, but meh.

Cant say I've liked fighting games. But pop to the subsim channel if you got nothing more.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots,

Anyone notice someone like that around these here parts?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sure they should consider context.However, the context argument here is a false one, he said what he said and his actions over the years have shown he still feels the same.

It was you who brought up the context argument, saying people who disagreed would use that. So far no one has. Tribesman made fun of you over it, and now you're trying to say that the context argument is false. The only one who has mentioned "context" is you, therefor you have created the classic straw man, and are now trying to knock him down.

Anyone notice someone like that around these here parts?

Be fair, going on the evidence present I don't think he knows what the words he uses mean.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Yes, because it is RACIST to nominate someone just because of their ethnicity, not their merit. Sotomayor is a racist, recall he comments saying "more often than not" a "wise latin" will reach a better decision than a white male? LOL Obama nominates fellow travelers for sure. Kagan, well not sure about any racism from her but shes certainly just as dangerous.

So? Many presidents have made many nominations for the wrong reasons. Many presidents have also had that come back to haunt them, since appointees, especially to the courts, often stick a little closer to the center than the man who appointed them would like. All that said, what does that have to do with hidden agendas and secret armies? We're all still waiting for you to show one piece of actual proof for your original "reason" to gloat.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

You know I have had several messages from people on here who say "I agree with you but not sure why you keeping arguing with these people, they are beyond help.I just do not argue because the ladies on here jump on anyone who is not pro obama."

Really? That's a classic but very bad debate tactic. Claim that people have privately supported you but don't want to do it publicly. That claim can't be opposed, because that would require quoting a PM, which is very much against the rules. Because of that you also don't have to support it, for the same reasons. Anybody can claim anything. If someone doesn't step forward to support you now, we can assume you were lying.

I did not compare him to Hitler but one can not ignore some similarities.

Takeda just showed in your own words that you did. Denying it now makes you look less than honest, and less than smart. You second phrase "...but one cannot ignore some similarities", is a failed attempt to be subtle. "I didn't say it, but now that you mention it, I'll try to point it out without actually saying it."

He's right. You really aren't very good at this.

I don't think obama is planning mass murder or anything like that.However, I know his ideology is marxist in nature, with his own hangups on race mixed in.Obama thinks he is savior of this nation and given the means and opportunity, he would exploit it and consolidate as much power as possible.Obama is also aware that chance may not happen but he would like to do his bit, to make it easier to move towards the nation he believes we should be, thinking in the long run, it will work out for him.

Even if we were to assume that was true, it's no worse than many presidents have been, and it has nothing to do with your original claim of secret training camps to take over the country.

I know he despises our constitution and wants to as he said "fundamentally change america". Well the fundamentals of the country, individual rights, economic liberty, the pursuit of happiness are fine, it's crap of so called "progressivism" that is the problem, it's been around a while, managed to snake its way into our system and is the root of most problems.

Now you change the subject again. You "know" he despises the Constitution? How do you "know"?

Your argument against Progressivism might actually garner some agreement and support, if it wasn't for all the insane blather about secret camps and racism. As I've tried to show you many times, and you still haven't figured out, you might actually get some agreement if you could learn that you don't know anything. It is all opinion, and trying to sway people to yours depends on being able to say it the right way, which you seem incapable of doing. Learn to discuss, not preach.

[Dammit_Carl!]

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[razark]

Originally Posted by Dammit_Carl!

Come for the Sim, stay for the enlightenment*.

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[Sailor Steve]

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