Religion thread #58,934

[MH]

Try to reason with left wing radical lol

[Betonov]

try to reason with a right wing radical.

A right wing radical goes so much right and a left wing radical goes so much left, that they both meet on the other side of the world, proving that all radicals are the same idiots

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Frankly, I think religion should remain a deep and personal decision, and human decency should allow those who ascribe to faith to be able to do so without open resistance from other ideologies. Often the argument is that, in the case of Christianity, proselytizing is an intrusion upon those who don't share that faith.

I think that's bogus and the biggest load of crap ever handed down as "rational" thinking. We are subject to messages of all different natures every single day - to imply that one in particular is intrusive because it is that which we most strongly disagree with is disingenuous. Freedom of speech works every which way.

Yes it does. On the pro-Christian side, logic dictates that they cannot be quiet. If indeed they're right, then God wants them to try to save everybody, and they are compelled to try, by the same Divine Love they believe saved them. It's a conundrum that cannot be solved.

Originally Posted by Betonov

A right wing radical goes so much right and a left wing radical goes so much left, that they both meet on the other side of the world, proving that all radicals are the same idiots

Unfortunately both are convinced they are centrists and the other is the true radical, and neither can see it, so they end up making wisecracks at the other side, never knowing how they look to everyone else.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Betonov

A right wing radical goes so much right and a left wing radical goes so much left, that they both meet on the other side of the world, proving that all radicals are the same idiots

Exactly.....
The point is religion has its shades as well.
There is an difference between believing that god created universe or believing that earth is flat.
I im not religius myself but...

Existence of God

“The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.”

Albert Einstein

[Betonov]

Yes. We should start making a difference betwen religion and personal belief (atheism is not a religion, but it is a personal belief).

Here's one before I go to sleep



Peace everyone, don't panic and good night

[Platapus]

One of my favourite Napoleon quotes

"Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich"

He did have a way with the phrase.

No one ever claimed that Nappy was a sensitive sort.

But on the other hand I also favour

God was always invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. Now when you finally discover how something works, you get some laws which you're taking away from God; you don't need him anymore. But you need him for the other mysteries. So therefore you leave him to create the universe because we haven't figured that out yet; you need him for understanding those things which you don't believe the laws will explain, such as consciousness, or why you only live to a certain length of time — life and death — stuff like that. God is always associated with those things that you do not understand. Therefore I don't think that the laws can be considered to be like God because they have been figured out. - Richard Feynman.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Platapus

"Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich"

Good one

[Aramike]

Yes it does. On the pro-Christian side, logic dictates that they cannot be quiet. If indeed they're right, then God wants them to try to save everybody, and they are compelled to try, by the same Divine Love they believe saved them. It's a conundrum that cannot be solved.

Proselytizing is no more of an intrusion than some guy panhandling, a political bumper sticker, a guy shouting "beer here" at a ball game, etc.

If you don't like certain things, you ignore them. And while the same is certainly true regarding anti-theists, my entire point is that the anti-theist is generally more rude and hostile.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by August

It says that even God can be misquoted.

So god's message is important enough to transmit to humanity, but not so important as to bother ensuring that it is transmitted clearly? I guess god's omnipotence comes and goes.

Are just the negative things misquotes?

Angus if you don't believe in God then it's hypocritical of you to imply that a book written by men contains the words of God.

No, actually it isn't. Hundreds of millions of people think that the bible contains the word of god. Hundreds of millions of people believe that god actually did those things. I'm dealing with god inside that belief system. I'm saying that if what they are saying is true, then that god is disgusting, and that god's ability to make someone puke would be justified.

The reason why you don't hear anyone say the same thing about leprechauns or teapots, is because neither have ever been implicated in mass murder.

If that's not your concept of god, bully for you. But know that you are at odds with a large amount, if not the majority, of Christian thought for the past two millennia. And if you're not basing your concept on anything as concrete, then I wonder how you know that god was misquoted, that god is sugar and spice and everything nice, and would never do what hundreds of millions of people believe he did.

Indeed, theism's great strength is its ability to play 3 card monty using the god idea - always keeping it safely beyond criticism by shifting the goal posts and changing the relevant attributes as dictated by the situation.

It's easy to do that with things that don't exist. Just saying.

[MH]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

So god's message is important enough to transmit to humanity, but not so important as to bother ensuring that it is transmitted clearly? I guess god's omnipotence comes and goes.

Are just the negative things misquotes?

No, actually it isn't. Hundreds of millions of people think that the bible contains the word of god. Hundreds of millions of people believe that god actually did those things. I'm dealing with god inside that belief system. I'm saying that if what they are saying is true, then any good person should find that god disgusting, and god's ability to make someone puke would be justified.

The reason why you don't hear anyone say the same thing about leprechauns or teapots, is because neither have ever been implicated in mass murder.

If that's not your concept of god, bully for you. But know that you are at odds with a large amount, if not the majority, of Christian thought for the past two millennia. And if you're not basing your concept on anything as concrete, then I wonder how you know that god was misquoted, that god is sugar and spice and everything nice, and would never do what hundreds of millions of people believe he did.

Indeed, theism's great strength is its ability to play 3 card monty using the god idea - always keeping it safely beyond criticism by shifting the goal posts and changing the relevant attributes as dictated by the situation.

It's easy to do that with things that don't exist. Just saying.

It really simple....
Everything bad that happens is test of fate.
Every thing good its god mercy.

God thinks in his gods BIG HUGE way so he cant be judged for killing few millions here or there because he has this HUGE plan.
Thats 2 cent theology i get to hear from time to time...


Sound kind of familiar

[August]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Are just the negative things misquotes?

Gods message is clear enough Angus and you don't need a three thousand year old book to understand it if your heart is open to hear it.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

Gods message is clear enough Angus and you don't need a three thousand year old book to understand it if your heart is open to hear it.

If you heart is open you don't need a book to be good person.
That's why in Judaism you have many fraction that sometimes oppose themselves.The same in Christianity i guess.
Because bible is written as it its written people interpret it to their heart desire.

[Bakkels]

Originally Posted by August

Gods message is clear enough Angus and you don't need a three thousand year old book to understand it if your heart is open to hear it.

Ah crap. I didn't want to post in this thread anymore. But this I can relate to, or at least, respect.
I don't believe in (a) God, and although I don't see God's message, I rather like the notion that this is somewhat of a personal quest.
I mean, we all (atheists, christians, jews, muslim or buddhist) think about who we are and why we're here. Or at least I hope we all do. And it's your own business which answer you believe to be correct.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Because bible is written as it its written people interpret it to their heart desire.

Pretty much. I think what many people fail to realize is the Bible is not a history book. It is a collection of stories that are designed to teach moral lessons. As such it is far closer to a work like Aesops Fables than a factual accounting of historical events.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

Pretty much. I think what many people fail to realize is the Bible is not a history book. It is a collection of stories that are designed to teach moral lessons. As such it is far closer to a work like Aesops Fables than a factual accounting of historical events.

I agree to that.
There are some big heads to whom its pleasure to listen when they talk philosophy/theology and moral issues drown from biblical stories and some that you want puke.
The big heads are always left with lots of dilemmas and questions.