Das Boot Q

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

I think "Wow, what a great ending!" every time I watch Das Boot. It's what makes it one of the best anti-war movies ever. You grow connected to U-96, its captain and crew. You cheer for them after they make it back to the surface near Gibraltar, only to have it all taken away at the end by an event beyond their control. When U-96 sinks and the Captain dies, you think what was the point of it all.

Ok. I stand corrected!

[StarFox]

Best thing to do, watch Das Boot uncut and play Silent Hunter III

[B.N.R.T.]

All right, that's it, you've done it.

Off to watch Das Boot. Again.

[Jimbuna]

SINK EM ALL!!

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by StarFox

Best thing to do, watch Das Boot uncut and play Silent Hunter III

But it's something hazardous to do, at same time, because one may forget is kaleunt responsibilities for watching the film and/or, one may shout aaaallaaarrrrmmm or head flank, 90m dept when attacking a convoy because he heard a sonar ping and thought that was discovered by the escorts, and with was from the movie...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Piggy

Sure by todays standards they're bad, but BoB movie was made in 60's, or 70's?

1966. And I watch it regularly on DVD, and except for the painted-on-film planes on fire, it still looks great. The bombing scenes are better than any of the CGI scenes in more modern movies; better in fact than probably anything I've seen except Tora! Tora! Tora!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

1966. And I watch it regularly on DVD, and except for the painted-on-film planes on fire, it still looks great. The bombing scenes are better than any of the CGI scenes in more modern movies; better in fact than probably anything I've seen except Tora! Tora! Tora!

Being a HUGE Luftwaffe and especially an Messerschmitt 109E fan, I couldnt even watch the movie to the end. I hated the Italian/Spanish built "109s". Just awful! The engine didnt even have the whining noise to it. And yes, I know, it's an old movie so I shouldnt be that hard on it, but still.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Being a HUGE Luftwaffe and especially an Messerschmitt 109E fan, I couldnt even watch the movie to the end. I hated the Italian/Spanish built "109s". Just awful! The engine didnt even have the whining noise to it. And yes, I know, it's an old movie so I shouldnt be that hard on it, but still.

So how many 109's did you count our boys shooting down :p

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

So how many 109's did you count our boys shooting down :p

If you mean the movie, non, they werent 109s. :p

If you mean the real BoB, I have no idea. One of my books by Mike Spick had the exact numbers, but cant remember which one.

Anywho, while I'm an Luftwaffe fan, I've always given praise to the allied pilots of the west front. And that's why I keep west front LW aces in higher respect than the ones who fough on the eastern front. To put it bluntly, the Soviet airforce wasnt up to the task of beating LW. Over 1400 planes destroyed by LW in the first day of Operation Barbarossa (planes destroyed on ground included). Joachim Marseille was a real LW ace.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Being a HUGE Luftwaffe and especially an Messerschmitt 109E fan, I couldnt even watch the movie to the end. I hated the Italian/Spanish built "109s". Just awful! The engine didnt even have the whining noise to it. And yes, I know, it's an old movie so I shouldnt be that hard on it, but still.

It's not a matter of being old, it's a matter of them rounding up all the flyable aircraft they could. Would you have rather they used P-51s like a very old post-war movie I once saw? Or The Hunters, which used F-84s as MiGs?

Today they would use CGI, and you'd be happy because the '109s looked just like the real ones...in a video game!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It's not a matter of being old, it's a matter of them rounding up all the flyable aircraft they could. Would you have rather they used P-51s like a very old post-war movie I once saw? Or The Hunters, which used F-84s as MiGs?

Today they would use CGI, and you'd be happy because the '109s looked just like the real ones...in a video game!

Choice #1: An replica of 109 without the original sound it is known of

or

Choice #2: An CGI 109 with the original sound.

I think I go with the #2.

Here you have an comparisation of the real 109E and the "109E" shown in BoB:

Real


And here's the one used in BoB; a The "Hispano Buchon".

[jazzabilly]

Hitler was a human being instead of Beelzebub himself

He was ony a guy who turned to politics when he couldn't get accepted into Art School. Beelzebub could probably get whatever he wanted. So he wasn't 'bub.

I digress.

I like Das Boot for what it is- a well crafted film. The only issue I have is that I find it very hard to believe that a hardened, experienced crew under an expert Kaleun would be shrieking, yelling and rolling about the deck of a sub while it was under attack. Most accounts I have read describe a very different scene.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by jazzabilly

The only issue I have is that I find it very hard to believe that a hardened, experienced crew under an expert Kaleun would be shrieking, yelling and rolling about the deck of a sub while it was under attack. Most accounts I have read describe a very different scene.

From what I gathered from the BBC show I mentioned earlier, the cameraman said that the goal was to make the audience think it was the crew's first patrol. Not for all of them, but many.

A quote out of my memory of what he said

"The crew was all young men, in their 20´s. Young men who had never seen the war and now they were sent to war in a metal tube."

I never really though about it before, but after the show, it's quite obvious. Alot of the crew are nervous pretty much from the point they leave the harbour to the point they return. Take the test dive scene for one, I'd think an experienced crew would've had no problem with that. They'd know what their boat was capable of. :hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Choice #1: An replica of 109 without the original sound it is known of

or

Choice #2: An CGI 109 with the original sound.

I think I go with the #2.

But they didn't have that option. The movie is still better than anything you could name today.

Here you have an comparisation of the real 109E and the "109E" shown in BoB:

I know full-well what a real one looks like - I've been a fan since long before you were born. How many real ones are available for film-work today? The same is true of the Heinkels, but at least besides the engines they are real He-111s, and they had enough of them to make a full formation.

The same is also true of Tora! Tora! Tora!. The planes are all converted AT-6s, and anyone who knows anything knows what a real A6M, D3A and B8N look like; but the conversions were done by Mitsubishi, and look as close as a replican made that way can.

Have you seen Dark Blue World?

I'm gonna go watch Battle of Britain again. At least the aerial scene where they're bombing the airfield. Wonderful stuff.

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl:

Yep. Some CGI (the empty shell flying from the ejectors) and a nice 3/4 model for the crash scene, but mostly dreck. And the story wasn't that great either.

But for some unfathomable reason I actually like it a little.