What U S boats would you like to see added to SHIV

[NEON DEON]

I would like to see all the boats that started the war be modeled in SHIV.

[bookworm_020]

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I would like to see the S class as it did play a large role at the begining of the war, plus it would make a great training boat.

I could live without the V class, even though I would like to get my hands on them, just for intrest sake.

I don't expect the Dev team to have the time and resources to have everything we want into the game. It would be nice, but we have to be realistic.

If they left the door open for modders to come in and add units that would be missing, that would add great appeal to the game, both in prestige and economics, as it would attract others to the game who might not come.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do put in, and in what the modders can produce. If the modders can do anything like what they did for SHIII for SHIV, then were going to have a good game turned into a great one.

[Capt. D]

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I would like to see the S class as it did play a large role at the begining of the war, plus it would make a great training boat.

There were some P class boats that had success. The Plunger - commissioned in 1937 sank 12 ships and was not decommissioned until 11/45!

The Ps were the first subs with air conditioning and the first class to introduce diesel-electric drive. With that sysetm, the main diesels did not directly drive the propeller shafts for surface propulsion, but drove generators which in turn drove elecric motors that were also used for underwater propulsion. This type of system has powered all conventionally powered US subs built since then. Ps served with distinction throughout WWII. They served in the front-line from Pearl until being gradually withdrawn from early 44 on. Four of the 10 were lost due to enemy action. Nearly all of the surviving boats conducted at least 8 war patrols with the Permit conducting 14!
We need to leave the Ps in. They had only 6 tubes (4 F and 2 A) however five had two external tubes added at the bow. Just another opportunity to take a boat out with some draw backs, and make them work.

Most definately the S class needs to be there too. S-class the P class, Salmon/Sargo class, Tambor class, and finally the Gato/Balao/Tench class need all to be represented. For graphic purposes the S-class, Ps, and Salmon had the most differences. The Tambor and Gato did not have that much difference. The Gatos were heavier by 350 tons and only 4 feet longer. Most of the additional weight being taken up by improved diesels and batteries. The remainder of the changes had to do with habitablility (increased fresh water bunkerage, etc. )
The Balaos were identical (to the Gatos) except that they were slightly redesigned internally to facilitate prefabrication and their pressure hulls were constructed of a higher tensile strength steel allowing dives of an additional 100 ft to max at 400. The Tenches varied somewhat in internal layout, otherwise being identical to the previous boats (Gato/Balao).
Of course as each boat was commissioned it carried the advances that came as the war progressed. Some had their fairweather and bridge structures cut down already - which was part of the refit procedures on the older classes - to just mention one. The devs should not have to change much if anything, in the Gatos thru Tench classes, and therefore should not have to do much more graphic work for classes than was done in SHIII.

Happy Hunting

[NEON DEON]

Capt D. The P class has already been listed as being included in the game. So I do not think you have to worry about them.

The poll was on the boats that were in the US Fleet on December 7, 1941 but, so far, will be left out of SHIV.

[MadMike]

Must... have... S-boat!




Yours, Mike

[Hylander_1314]

If the Devs go with original line-up that was in Silent Hunter, I wouldn't complain.

At least I won't have to mess with DOSBox anymore! And can have the modern day eyecandy.

Amazing though, what they were able to do with that old tech. And to have the tutorials with "Bud" recalling his experiences in the Subfleet during WWII.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

[quote=Capt. D]

Of course as each boat was commissioned it carried the advances that came as the war progressed. Some had their fairweather and bridge structures cut down already - which was part of the refit procedures on the older classes - to just mention one. The devs should not have to change much if anything, in the Gatos thru Tench classes, and therefore should not have to do much more graphic work for classes than was done in SHIII.

Happy Hunting

Well they have the VIIC, VIIC/41, and VIIC/42 in SHIII so it would be the same thing. The only diffrences between then is performance(same as Gato/Balo/Trench).

[Capt. D]

Capt D. The P class has already been listed as being included in the game. So I do not think you have to worry about them.

I realize that - was just commenting on statement from Book Worm 020 regarding P's and not really having any impact:

Some of them could be safely discarded, as there were some (P Class) that had no impact on the war effot.

I think Hylander 1314 makes a very good point:

If the Devs go with original line-up that was in Silent Hunter, I wouldn't complain.

It does seem that the devs will be using most if not all the classes within SH.

Happy Hunting

[NEON DEON]

Just over 60 % of the US sub force on December 7, 1941 will not be included in SH IV.

If you included the S class, the percentage would drop to 27%.

But, that would leave out over a quarter of the starting sub force.

[Capt. D]

It might be hard for UBI to implement all the V boats. I think the V boats would have been better named by X boats for experimental. Most of the sub classes of V boats vary widely in specs and performance.

I guess that would leave me wanting almost the same thing.

The S boats, Argonaut, Nautilus, and Narwhal:

Combined these boats had 214 war patrols, 72 battle stars and made up over one third of the U. S. sub force that started the war.

I believe the three V Class you listed had some impact regarding special ops both landing commandos or withdrawing them or VIPs from ememy held territory - Nautilus and Narwhal the most. I guess it will stand as to where the Devs regard the importance of these boats vs space and time to put them in. S-boats however should be a no brainer - hopefully!



USS Silversides SS236 9/23/2006
The most decorated surviving US sub from WWII



Control Room - Diving Stations



Forward Torpedo Room - opps got the fan!




Captain's Stateroom




Secondary helm - Contol Room

This was my third visit and I still am in awe! Plan to visit the Cod for the second time soon.

Happy Hunitng

[Jimbuna]

WOW...great photos Capt. D....can't wait till you post some more

[Capt. D]

Thanks!







Wardroom - this is where the appendectomy took place on the table shown. This was part of the movie Destination Tokyo Bay with Cary Grant.

You can see a monitor on the counter. To the left is a control panel that will allow you to choose a video of information regarding the department you are in. They have this in the forward torpedo room, here in the wardroom, and one in the control room. You can not go up into the conning tower however the monitor system in the control room allows you to choose a video of the tower and it goes through much of the equipment in it.





Crew berth just aft the crew mess.

The boat needs TLC. Though the people involved with it work on it all the time they are now trying to get funds together ($500,00.00) to dry dock the boat. It seems a boat needed to be dry docked at least every 5 years if in salt water and this could be extended to every 25 years if in fresh water. Well, Lake Michigan is fresh water but the Silversides has not been in dry dock since 1951!!!!! You can also tell there is need for some scraping of paint and some more painting. They do say that the 4 diesel engines are in working order! A lot of the historical things that are part of the boat - camera used with the scope, logs etc. are located on the on site museum so are not on the boat. Also the boat has a overnight program for youth organizations.



"Christmas Tree" and diving manifold




Lunch anyone? Galley


Happy Hunting

[NEON DEON]

O Class December 7, 1941:

USS O-2 (SS - 63) New London
USS O-3 (SS - 64) New London
USS O-4 (SS - 65) New London
USS O-6 (SS - 67) Portsmouth Navy Yard
USS O-7 (SS - 68) New London
USS O-8 (SS - 69) New London
USS O-10 (SS - 71) New London

% of overall sub force: 6.3%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 0 of 7; 0 %

Number of men Lost on O boats: 0

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were used almost exclusively for training.

[Sailor Steve]

I guess that means we should demand O-Boats, but only for the Academy scenarios.:rotfl:

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

O Class December 7, 1941:

USS O-2 (SS - 63) New London
USS O-3 (SS - 64) New London
USS O-4 (SS - 65) New London
USS O-6 (SS - 67) Portsmouth Navy Yard
USS O-7 (SS - 68) New London
USS O-8 (SS - 69) New London
USS O-10 (SS - 71) New London

% of overall sub force: 6.3%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 0 of 7; 0 %

Number of men Lost on O boats: 0

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were used almost exclusively for training.

R Class December 7, 1941:

USS R-1 (SS - 78) New London
USS R-2 (SS - 79) Key West
USS R-4 (SS - 81) Key West
USS R-5 (SS - 82) New London
USS R-6 (SS - 83) New London
USS R-7 (SS - 84) ASW Patrol between New London and Bermuda
USS R-9 (SS - 86) New London
USS R-10 (SS - 87) Key West
USS R-11 (SS - 88) Key West
USS R-12 (SS - 89) New London
USS R-13 (SS - 90) Key West
USS R-14 (SS - 91) Key West
USS R-15 (SS - 92) ASW Patrol between New London and Bermuda
USS R-16 (SS - 93) En Route New London to Key West
USS R-17 (SS - 94) New London
USS R-18 (SS - 95) New London
USS R-19 (SS - 96) New London
USS R-20 (SS - 97) Key West


% of overall sub force: 16%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 1 of 18; 5.6 %

Number of men Lost on R boats: 42

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were also assigned training duties. They did however make war patrols in the Atlantic and Caribbean during the U boat offensive in 1942. One boat got credit for 700 tons of damage on a U boat. The R 3 was decommissioned in late November 1941 and sent to Great Brittan under Lend Lease. This dropped the sub fleet to 111 from 112. In 1921, the R 14 ran out of fuel during a rescue operation. The crew rigged up a sail making it the only sub in the fleet to ever be powered by sail. The one R class lost in WW II was a result of a training accident.