Hate preacher turned back from evacuation

[Skybird]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/stor...825779,00.html

Poor radical boy. Now that the seed of his preachings opens up and triggers consequences - he wants to be rescued by those against whom he has talked so bitterly. If I understood it correctly, when he was rejected to board a British ship to escape Lebanon, he threatened that if he is not allowed onboard that British evacuation ship, he would call his family to Lebanon and if the authorities in Britain really could accept responsebility for his little, cute heartwarming kids to face the risks and dangers. Arab logic?

Psssst, here is a well-meant advise, from Skybird to a poor radical Muhammedan cleric feeling lonely inside his paradise - simply do not call your children to Lebanon, and we all are fine: you, we, and them.

[Oberon]

Heh, yeah I saw this on the ITV news last night, talk about ironic. We should do ourselves a favour and give the Israelis the GPS co-ordinates of where he's staying.

[jumpy]

hahahahahahahaha
I suspect some well meaning doo-gooder will sound off about how we should take the moral high ground and allow this twat back to the UK regardless of his attitude and radical voice as it's the 'human' thing to do, blah blah blair blair blah.

**** the moral high ground and **** Omar Bakri.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

hahahahahahahaha
I suspect some well meaning doo-gooder will sound off about how we should take the moral high ground and allow this twat back to the UK regardless of his attitude and radical voice as it's the 'human' thing to do,

so, in other words, we should take the moral low ground... right...
we should be just like the animals that we attest to be better than...

just a question... a question that most civilized human beings already know the answer to...

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

i wonder how he would look at this...

now i'm not putting the US up as the professors of the moral high ground or anything like that... our history is self evident...

i'm just a lil taken back by your well meaning do gooder statement... especially since you are thousands of miles away from any of the happenings... so easy for you to sluff off the lives of people, regardless of how dispicable they may appear... as being worthless...

when your time for judgement comes... lets hope that whatever god you happen to believe in... whatever do gooder that go out of his or her way to pull your behind out of the fire... lets hope that they are a bit more tolerant than you would appear to be...

--Mike

[jumpy]

Mr Bakri was born in Syria and is believed to hold joint Syrian and Lebanese citizenship. He was granted political asylum in the UK in the 1980s because of his involvement with Islamist groups opposed to the secular government of Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad, the father of Syria's current president.
Mr Bakri had praised the September 11 attackers and called for Britain to become an Islamist state, and is regarded as the spiritual leader of Al-Ghurabaa, the organisation responsible for February's Danish embassy protests against cartoons of Mohammed.
He voluntarily left Britain last August days after the Home Office announced it was looking at using treason charges to prosecute him over inflammatory comments made by his Islamist group al-Muhajiroun.

See bold text: that is why I couldn't care less about him. He was offered the hospitality of the United Kingdom and imo took full advantage of our tollerance and secularism and other freedoms upheld by brittish law to advocate hate and condone murder. So you think we (or the US for that matter) should welcome him back with open arms and a bouquet of flowers?
Perhaps you're mistaking my reference to the moral high ground as a view I would impose upon everyone, regardless of their intent or belief or background?
Why should the UK accept the return of a snake such as Omar Bakri?
Besides, he clearly has joint Syrian and Lebanese citizenship so why could he not be evacuated to Syria instead? Oh yes, that's right, he caused a stirr and had to leave his homeland because he opposed the secular governement there. If you make yourself unwelcome in your own country and then in another which gave you a place to live and 'protection' under law...

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

A question for you:
As a foreigner in receipt of your governements hospitality, if I were to stand on a soapbox in the middle of new york saying how wonderful I thought the actions of the September 11th perpetrators were and how I thought the USA should be forcibly made into an Islamic state, how long do you think it would take for me to be deported "back to whatever 'orrible little country you came from, squier." irrespective of the inconvenience to myself or whether my life might be in danger upon my return there?

Am I wrong thinking that it is a general understanding in the US that one should earn their place in society before one can enjoy its benefits and support as is exampled by some of the comments round here concerning the unemployed in your country? I'm not having a dig there, but I get the impression that you only 'get out what you put in', as it were.
I don't dissmiss the need for morality with integrity and honour and to uphold decency and general goodness towards those in need, but can you honestly say this man deserves the right to claim the benefit of such aid from those he would quite happily denounce and publically advocate the overthrow of?
He has done nothing whatsoever to earn that right by his actions to date. His current difficulty is entirely of his own design.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

So you think we (or the US for that matter) should welcome him back with open arms and a bouquet of flowers?

hahahaha... your imagination runs off with you... show me where i ever said or even implied that...

If I were to stand on a soapbox in the middle of new york saying how wonderful I thought the actions of the September 11th perpetrators were and how I thought the USA should be forcibly made into an Islamic state

as long as you had a permit, i'd simply ignore you... but i wouldn't take away your right to say it... this is at the heart of a democracy we have here... you don't seem to understand that at all...

Am I wrong thinking that it is a general understanding in the US that one should earn their place in society before one can enjoy its benefits and support

yes... you are verrrrrry verrrrry wrong on this point...

He has done nothing whatsoever to earn that right by his actions to date.

what have you done... what have you done that would make you more rescueable...

i've seen wounded enemy soldiers, people who fought against and may have killed our own troops, tended to by US Army medical personel... explain dat with your short sighted and narrow viewpoint of civilized acceptance...

--Mike

Ahhh another person prosecuted for not believing what everyone else believes.....

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

so, in other words, we should take the moral low ground... right...
we should be just like the animals that we attest to be better than...

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

We also had a guy who recognized Islam for what it is. He was fortunate enough to be physically distanced from it's mass -- a mass of which I would very much like to see him deal with, today, when continents are routinely seperated by 12 hours instead of 12 days.

As for the thread topic, I can only say this: Oh, Praise Allah!

[Yahoshua]

Hey red, if you don't care one way or the other then why exactly are you attacking evrybody for their opinion of this man when you state that you prefer to be oblivious to the situation?

And regarding Democracy: Democracy gives us freedoms that no other government has granted to the citizens at large before (other than being a hermit, in which you decide EVERYTHING by yourself...the con is that you have to provide everything for yourself too, that gets tiring).

Democracy also sets boundaries, and those boundaries are generally not unreasonable, but in fact desireable: The following is forbidden:

-Murder
-Theft (in any way shape or form)
-Rape
-Being a troll (not really forbidden but we counter this with courtesy and politeness)
-Lying in order to gain something that isn't yours or lying in a court of law
-Misappropriation of public/government fund or branches or misuse of power
-The violation of law (whether just or unjust is something of another issue but one of great importance)

The following is encouraged in Democracy:

-Voting (I've lost faith in this one since I have no idea who I'm voting for since everyone takes off the mask once they're in office)
-Freedom of speech (as pursuant to law, which is really based on whether or not it is just or unjust)
-Obeying the law and contributing to the safety of the community

Now this is where all the sh*t hits the fan.

All this can only work if the people who are walking and living within the boundaries of the law, have good enough morals and have their head on straight will be able to make this system work, while still providing freedoms granted by the democracy they live within. Those kind of people all dissapeared about 50 years ago.

I know I'm leaving my post off at an odd point but I'm tired now and I'll finish it later.

[mog]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

I don't see how this has anything to do with freedom of speech. Why is the Royal Navy obligated to pick up someone who doesn't have a British passport?

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

first of all, i'm not attacking anyone... second, i never said the Brits had any responsibility to do anything... that is all from your own imaginations... read again what i said, and stop putting words in my mouth...

if anything, i merely present you with the truths... clear, clean, concise, objective... you are the ones who want to claim to be so civilized... you are the ones who hold yourselves in such high moral esteem... it's your call as to what you would do... i'm over here... i'm not involved...

i remember the same sorta crap from you people when the bombs were going off in the UK, and the police shot this poor guy... everyone jumped up to defend the cops shooting him... mainly because the guy was different... i told you, before the facts were even revealed, that maybe this guy just didn't pay his back alimony or something... but every one of you saw terrorists in the bushes... shoot em all, let god sort it out...

well... you're pretty much doing the same thing here... most of you have never been in the middle east... most of you don't know jack about the cultures there... the least most of you could do would be to give this fool the basic rights your own society gaurantees...

noone said you had to take him seriously... noone said you had to listen...

it just surprises me... that lil ole me, the less civilized amongst you, would be amongst the minority here that would allow this fool his right to speak his mind freely, in a so called free democracy... without making him pay for what he said possibly with his life...

its so easy for you to deny the basic freedoms to someone else... whether they be right or wrong, or what they say be popular or unpopular... go ahead...

1937 Bavaria... amazing how quickly the lessons history has taught us are forgotten...

to live in a democracy and to safeguard the very tenets of that democracy, requires strong people... people who do not fear the truth... people who do not fear the words of others...

you lot obviously are not cut from that cloth... fortunately, others are there to secure for you, the very freedoms and rights you would deny others... lets hope you always are on the popular side of the opinion pole... that you never come down with leprosy of being the unpopular minority...

--Mike

[SUBMAN1]

Old adage - you reap what you sew

[Iceman]

Yep the Brits could have towed him a 1000ft behind in a dingy but that would have been tasking even the most charitable country.

What a loser trying to hitch a ride from a country he turned his back on.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Yep the Brits could have towed him a 1000ft behind in a dingy but that would have been tasking even the most charitable country.

What a loser trying to hitch a ride from a country he turned his back on.

No problem I would tow him in a leaky dingy in shark infested water.:p

[Gizzmoe]

FYI, I´ve deleted all "Voltaire" posts, they had nothing to do with the original discussion.