T3 Tanker with Lights is ready.

Anvart · 07-18-06, 12:42 PM

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bigboywooly · 07-18-06, 12:49 PM

You da man

Now wheres the link:hmm:
Thanx Anvart - another great looking job

Ducimus · 07-18-06, 12:59 PM

Great work, but i think the lights illluminating the flag is a bit much, its like putting a big billboard on the ship saying, "Shoot here!"

bigboywooly · 07-18-06, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Great work, but i think the lights illluminating the flag is a bit much, its like putting a big billboard on the ship saying, "Shoot here!"

They are only meant for neutral ships and they were lit up to avoid torpedoing

Ducimus · 07-18-06, 01:23 PM

True, but not all neutrals were lite up. Some were darkened and even zig zagging.

bigboywooly · 07-18-06, 01:25 PM

True but at their own peril

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30248.htm

Naval War Staff has sent a T/P to F.O. U/B, ordering that all attacks on French ships are to be avoided at all costs. This means that U-boats cannot operate in the Channel against troop transports. This operation (U 35 see also F.O. U/B West's War Log) was arranged because of Naval War Staff's orders that convoys could be attacked North of the Latitude of Brest even if the escort consisted of French Forces. It can be taken as certain that these transports sail at night; and at night the U-boat must be able to assume that a darkened ship is an enemy ship, even if in convoy. It is often impossible to establish the nationality of ships in convoy even by day and when flags are not being misused, but at night it is quite out of the question. I therefore informed Naval War Staff that, if this order is to stand, I cannot let the boats operate in the Channel

CWorth · 07-18-06, 06:36 PM

From everything I have read neutrals should not even be in convoys no matter how challenging you want it.It is not accurate as neutrals would not have been in the convoy as they were fair game to the uboats.

I use the GW mod and just today I ran into a convoy off the west coast of Britain that had 3 neutrals tagging along at the rear.

I personally would prefer to have all neutrals lit up and not have any dark ones since you could not attack them anyway without losing renown.

Unless there was a way to make it so the lit ones were untouchable and the non lit ones were able to be attacked without loss of reknown then I would not mind having both.But I doubt that the games code would allow for that.So you have to make a choice of one or the other.And for me the lit up neutrals would be more accurate.

iambecomelife · 07-18-06, 08:06 PM

Neutrals definitely sailed in convoy, although they were distrusted by the skippers of belligerent ships. They would have been blacked out but still had civilian paint schemes IIRC. The "Janus" (below) was one neutral, in-convoy U-Boat victim.

As bigboywooly mentioned, neutrals in convoy are fair game. We could easily clone neutral ships and nations so that some could sail darkened and in convoy (generating positive renown) while others could sail independently with lights blazing (negative renown).

Picture courtesy of Uboat.net

CWorth · 07-18-06, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife

We could easily clone neutral ships and nations so that some could sail darkened and in convoy (generating positive renown) while others could sail independently with lights blazing (negative renown).

I was not sure if this was possible but now that I see it is then I would love it.

Boris · 07-18-06, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CWorth

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife

We could easily clone neutral ships and nations so that some could sail darkened and in convoy (generating positive renown) while others could sail independently with lights blazing (negative renown).

I was not sure if this was possible but now that I see it is then I would love it.

This is certainly possible, but from what I understand it's not that easy. It would take some time and involves hex editing etc.
Nevertheless this is something that should eventually be done IMO.

bigboywooly · 07-18-06, 09:26 PM

The trouble is most convoys in SCR and RND are exactly the same from start of war till end
To add these ships properly would require a complete rethink of the way scr and rnd are written
Not just make up a convoy that will spawn all thru the war in identical fashion

Big task but they really need to be written so that convoy structures change month by month with neutral countries coming and going - ie entering the war -
and escort volumes changing, very few escorts start of the war the increasing as years go on to quite large numbers even down to submarines for escorts on the British convoys and the fact the Americans took over escort duties on all atlantic crossings not long after they entered the war

Single ships are not an issue or a problem

07-18-06, 12:42 PM	#1
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07-18-06, 12:49 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	You da man Now wheres the link:hmm: Thanx Anvart - another great looking job __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

07-18-06, 01:25 PM	#6
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	True but at their own peril http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30248.htm Naval War Staff has sent a T/P to F.O. U/B, ordering that all attacks on French ships are to be avoided at all costs. This means that U-boats cannot operate in the Channel against troop transports. This operation (U 35 see also F.O. U/B West's War Log) was arranged because of Naval War Staff's orders that convoys could be attacked North of the Latitude of Brest even if the escort consisted of French Forces. It can be taken as certain that these transports sail at night; and at night the U-boat must be able to assume that a darkened ship is an enemy ship, even if in convoy. It is often impossible to establish the nationality of ships in convoy even by day and when flags are not being misused, but at night it is quite out of the question. I therefore informed Naval War Staff that, if this order is to stand, I cannot let the boats operate in the Channel __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

07-18-06, 08:06 PM	#8
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Neutrals definitely sailed in convoy, although they were distrusted by the skippers of belligerent ships. They would have been blacked out but still had civilian paint schemes IIRC. The "Janus" (below) was one neutral, in-convoy U-Boat victim. As bigboywooly mentioned, neutrals in convoy are fair game. We could easily clone neutral ships and nations so that some could sail darkened and in convoy (generating positive renown) while others could sail independently with lights blazing (negative renown). Picture courtesy of Uboat.net __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

07-18-06, 09:26 PM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The trouble is most convoys in SCR and RND are exactly the same from start of war till end To add these ships properly would require a complete rethink of the way scr and rnd are written Not just make up a convoy that will spawn all thru the war in identical fashion Big task but they really need to be written so that convoy structures change month by month with neutral countries coming and going - ie entering the war - and escort volumes changing, very few escorts start of the war the increasing as years go on to quite large numbers even down to submarines for escorts on the British convoys and the fact the Americans took over escort duties on all atlantic crossings not long after they entered the war Single ships are not an issue or a problem __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

07-18-06, 12:59 PM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Great work, but i think the lights illluminating the flag is a bit much, its like putting a big billboard on the ship saying, "Shoot here!"

07-18-06, 01:23 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	True, but not all neutrals were lite up. Some were darkened and even zig zagging.

07-18-06, 06:36 PM	#7
CWorth Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gettysburg PA Posts: 845 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	From everything I have read neutrals should not even be in convoys no matter how challenging you want it.It is not accurate as neutrals would not have been in the convoy as they were fair game to the uboats. I use the GW mod and just today I ran into a convoy off the west coast of Britain that had 3 neutrals tagging along at the rear. I personally would prefer to have all neutrals lit up and not have any dark ones since you could not attack them anyway without losing renown. Unless there was a way to make it so the lit ones were untouchable and the non lit ones were able to be attacked without loss of reknown then I would not mind having both.But I doubt that the games code would allow for that.So you have to make a choice of one or the other.And for me the lit up neutrals would be more accurate.