Maybe new problems with French version

UglyMowgli · 07-11-06, 11:15 AM

One of your player had 2 problems with the french version:

First there is problem with the USNI database for Surface to air missile : no data are diplayed:

on peut verifier dans le "weapon loadout" du fig7:

And for the goals doctrine , the THEN key word is misisng or maybe there is a translation error.

LuftWolf · 07-11-06, 06:32 PM

DW is a very complex piece of software, especially in terms of functional operation.

Jamie, these things need to be done by people who know what they are doing.

Some guys from a gaming company who are multilingual who messed around for a few days isn't good enough.

The good news is that we can always patch!

Cheers,
David

Phullbrick · 07-12-06, 04:49 AM

you're right Luftwolf

it's not a secret to tell we are not very happy with the content of the FR release, the feedback from new comers is poor in term of customer satisfaction.

ssbn92 · 07-12-06, 05:39 AM

And why does it allways happen to me???:hmm:

(MSG, pourquoi "maybe" ? c'est plutot certain non ?)

I guess European versions will need quite a lot of patching, guys...that for sure, oh man....

Jamie · 07-12-06, 08:04 AM

Thank you for collecting these issues, MSGalileo - that's exactly what we need. Same goes for those of you who have the German version.

As LW said, we have over 350,000 localized words in DW French and German that had to be re-integrated. Given that we are fluent in neither German or French, it was difficult to test the game its entirety. We appreciate your understanding, however, and ask that you continue to list any issues that you may find in the French or German version of DW.

Please continue to add any additional defects found in this thread (or PM them to me directly).

Thank you for your support!

Phullbrick · 07-12-06, 09:13 AM

Ok Jamie

As I said above, the FR release is not satisfying the new comers (and customers).

This game is a real simulation (I think everyone here will agree) and we like its depth and realism.

But like any other 'serious' simulation, it requires a real learning stage with serious materials and support.

Today, with the FR release (guess it's the same for EU) it's almost impossible for some people to understand DW and think they didn't get what they paid for and feel they have a poor experience with the game and an issue with the packaging itself.

#1 - Half of the game is translated (messages). Buttons are still in english, voices too. Same for the extra cd content (hopefuly vidéos have french subtitles). Some of the missions are still in english.

#2 - The manual is really too short. Around 100 pages, I had a chance to read it and it's just summary you know, one can simply can't learn the game mechanisms with it. So they totally rely on the community.

I'm worried about all of this just because we offered to SCS and Battlefront a year ago a full translation of the english manual but this wasn't allowed at this time by Battlefront, reason a EU release was already scheduled. So our work wasn't (politely) required even if 50% was already completed, and consider that half of our team was made of active/retired of the french military/navy. So we answered ok, and see where we are today and where we could have been.

I know it's too late to change things now, I'm not writting this just to complain but to give a feedback to you, let's say it's my duty as a community 'leader'.

Simulations like DW are in niche. The pool of players (and customers) is naturally limited imo. I think it's publicly accepted and known that a significant part of those customers are in EU, and I guess this is why SCS decided a EU release. So why is the packaging inferior to the US release ? For simulations like DW, it is a major critiera imho. I don't know if SCS was in the loop of the content decision but I think for a next release it should be looked very closely.

Anyway, we've resumed our work on the manual translation and we'll try to finish asap in the interest of the people. Next time, please... please feel free to stop by and rely on the communities with your most dedicated fans and supporters... Think Mille-Sabords was borned back in end of 2001 for Sub Command

07-12-06, 04:49 AM	#3
Phullbrick Seaman Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: France Posts: 42 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	you're right Luftwolf it's not a secret to tell we are not very happy with the content of the FR release, the feedback from new comers is poor in term of customer satisfaction. __________________

07-12-06, 05:39 AM	#4
ssbn92 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And why does it allways happen to me???:hmm: (MSG, pourquoi "maybe" ? c'est plutot certain non ?) I guess European versions will need quite a lot of patching, guys...that for sure, oh man.... __________________ www.mille-sabords.com (DW France)

07-12-06, 08:04 AM	#5
Jamie Sonalysts Inc. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Middletown, CT (USA) Posts: 204 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thank you for collecting these issues, MSGalileo - that's exactly what we need. Same goes for those of you who have the German version. As LW said, we have over 350,000 localized words in DW French and German that had to be re-integrated. Given that we are fluent in neither German or French, it was difficult to test the game its entirety. We appreciate your understanding, however, and ask that you continue to list any issues that you may find in the French or German version of DW. Please continue to add any additional defects found in this thread (or PM them to me directly). Thank you for your support! Last edited by Jamie; 07-12-06 at 08:35 AM.

07-12-06, 09:13 AM	#6
Phullbrick Seaman Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: France Posts: 42 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ok Jamie As I said above, the FR release is not satisfying the new comers (and customers). This game is a real simulation (I think everyone here will agree) and we like its depth and realism. But like any other 'serious' simulation, it requires a real learning stage with serious materials and support. Today, with the FR release (guess it's the same for EU) it's almost impossible for some people to understand DW and think they didn't get what they paid for and feel they have a poor experience with the game and an issue with the packaging itself. #1 - Half of the game is translated (messages). Buttons are still in english, voices too. Same for the extra cd content (hopefuly vidéos have french subtitles). Some of the missions are still in english. #2 - The manual is really too short. Around 100 pages, I had a chance to read it and it's just summary you know, one can simply can't learn the game mechanisms with it. So they totally rely on the community. I'm worried about all of this just because we offered to SCS and Battlefront a year ago a full translation of the english manual but this wasn't allowed at this time by Battlefront, reason a EU release was already scheduled. So our work wasn't (politely) required even if 50% was already completed, and consider that half of our team was made of active/retired of the french military/navy. So we answered ok, and see where we are today and where we could have been. I know it's too late to change things now, I'm not writting this just to complain but to give a feedback to you, let's say it's my duty as a community 'leader'. Simulations like DW are in niche. The pool of players (and customers) is naturally limited imo. I think it's publicly accepted and known that a significant part of those customers are in EU, and I guess this is why SCS decided a EU release. So why is the packaging inferior to the US release ? For simulations like DW, it is a major critiera imho. I don't know if SCS was in the loop of the content decision but I think for a next release it should be looked very closely. Anyway, we've resumed our work on the manual translation and we'll try to finish asap in the interest of the people. Next time, please... please feel free to stop by and rely on the communities with your most dedicated fans and supporters... Think Mille-Sabords was borned back in end of 2001 for Sub Command __________________ Last edited by Phullbrick; 07-12-06 at 09:15 AM.

07-11-06, 11:15 AM	#1
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 784 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Maybe new problems with French version One of your player had 2 problems with the french version: First there is problem with the USNI database for Surface to air missile : no data are diplayed: on peut verifier dans le "weapon loadout" du fig7: And for the goals doctrine , the THEN key word is misisng or maybe there is a translation error. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

07-11-06, 06:32 PM	#2
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	DW is a very complex piece of software, especially in terms of functional operation. Jamie, these things need to be done by people who know what they are doing. Some guys from a gaming company who are multilingual who messed around for a few days isn't good enough. The good news is that we can always patch! Cheers, David __________________ LW Last edited by LuftWolf; 07-11-06 at 06:36 PM.