faith in the police? not round here please.

[jumpy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/g...re/5132370.stm

can you believe it?

'Laughing at police'
But Mr Foster said he was appalled by what he was told by the officers.
"They said: 'If they haven't got a helmet on, we can't pursue them. We can't risk a law suit. We'd get sued if they fell off and hurt themselves,'" said Mr Foster.
"I can't believe it, to tell the truth, because all the bike thieves know that, so that's what they do and they're laughing at the police. They've found a loophole in the law that means they can do exactly what they want."

crime doesn't pay... well it didn't used to, I'm not so sure now

[Skybird]

As long as it is put down in rules and laws, it is okay.

[TteFAboB]

Get them a union card so they can participate in the Thieve's Guild Course for a Safe Robbery.

We also need some NGO to help them get bail insurance, you never know when you're getting caught these days, better safe than sorry.

[tycho102]

We've just about got the same problem over here.

Honestly, the Fair Tax would cure a lot of our problems, this one included. It would rattle the entire special interests and pandering system, we'd have cops well funded and less corruption; meaning the cops could actually be trusted to do their jobs well. So when you've got a guy breaking the law, the cops are actually authorized to enforce the law, because the politicans passed the law in the interest of actually being willing to enforce the law.

I don't know what you all need to do over there. Maybe a Guy Fawkes job on the weekend when no one is working. Just enough to rattle the fillings in their teeth and get them back to "policing by consent".

We need a Judge Dredd like figure who just zaps criminal scum away....yeah...as if.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jumpy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/g...re/5132370.stm

can you believe it?

crime doesn't pay... well it didn't used to, I'm not so sure now

The innocent get banged up, the crooks get a laugh.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm really worried about Europe. I mean, if you have an intruder in your home, you can even protect yourself overthere. This one just goes to show you that the police can't help you and you have to protect yourself! And to top it off, the criminals have weapons and the normal person can't! Add in here that even if you do protect yourself, you'll end up going to jail just for doing so.

The bad part is, is America far behind? Right now, if someone comes into my home, I have to shoot enough times to make sure he is dead, because if he survives, I might get sued for shooting him!

I like the fact that everyone has so many worries about terrorists and everything. To me, terrorists pale in comparrison to what we are doing to ourselves! Its just nuts. I am studying law right now (done with sys admin stuff!) to see if I can make a difference in this area.

-S

PS. And you wonder why I keep Hydrashock ammo in my gun at home?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The bad part is, is America far behind? Right now, if someone comes into my home, I have to shoot enough times to make sure he is dead, because if he survives, I might get sued for shooting him!

Same in Germany. My father is is sports gunner and for some years was member of the police sports club in Berlin, which was public - you could get access to it's training facilcities even if you were no policeman (my father is classical musician, no policeman). He became friends with a Kriminalkommissar who once told him in secret that if he ever would confront a robber, a thief or whomever in his appartment and cannot make him freezing by simply threatening him with his firearms, so that he needed to shoot at him, he should make sure that he a.) kill him for sure and b.) makes sure he doe not kill him with the first bullet, which would be suspicious to be an intended kill and thus could be followed by an examination for murder and c.) that he does not need too many bullets for this would be rated as excessive use of force and could have legal consequences as well. And if he only shoots and injures the man he needs to expect to be sued for "Körperverletzung" (physical injuring?) and "attack with a lethal weapon."I got injured myself by a knife last year in a street assault out of the blue. I defended myself and while completly disabling him I unfortunately could not avoid to injure that sucker quite severly, and he was motionless. Although his lawyer later withdraw the case, initially I got charged for physical violance (Körperverletzung), which even was legally suspect becasue at that tim,e he trialed the case he was under charges by the police himself! (seems to be a grey area in German laws, but I do not know) Man, you lawyers and idiots - that guy tried to put a knife into my poor belly, I have a 6 cm-long scar on my right side from a 2 cm deep cut when he tried to stab me! Obviously some people would expect me to accept being stabbed down and die in my blood.Accepting to be a victim is a virtue. Weakness is a virtue. Strength is elitary - it needs to be condemned. We are all a happy family, Western society is great, reasonable and tolerant. Death to anyone who casts the shadow of a doubt about this paradise.Perverted thinking stinks.

[STEED]

It's a well known fact that the British Police will not go into areas which are known trouble spots full of yob gangs or chavs. And who can blame them, give them full body armour and some APC's and good back up, that's what I say.

[Kapitan]

I have recently been involved in a case and to my horror the judge was totaly bias, he through out all of my evedence because he said i cannot support the bad charecter application.

The person i know for sure is totaly innocent but because the judge said we wont accept any of your evedence he has had to now change to guilty and get a lesser charge, despite the fact he never did anything in the first place.

British law is so bias these days im ashamed to say i live here.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Same in Germany. My father is is sports gunner and for some years was member of the police sports club in Berlin, which was public - you could get access to it's training facilcities even if you were no policeman (my father is classical musician, no policeman). He became friends with a Kriminalkommissar who once told him in secret that if he ever would confront a robber, a thief or whomever in his appartment and cannot make him freezing by simply threatening him with his firearms, so that he needed to shoot at him, he should make sure that he a.) kill him for sure and b.) makes sure he doe not kill him with the first bullet, which would be suspicious to be an intended kill and thus could be followed by an examination for murder and c.) that he does not need too many bullets for this would be rated as excessive use of force and could have legal consequences as well. And if he only shoots and injures the man he needs to expect to be sued for "Körperverletzung" (physical injuring?) and "attack with a lethal weapon."I got injured myself by a knife last year in a street assault out of the blue. I defended myself and while completly disabling him I unfortunately could not avoid to injure that sucker quite severly, and he was motionless. Although his lawyer later withdraw the case, initially I got charged for physical violance (Körperverletzung), which even was legally suspect becasue at that tim,e he trialed the case he was under charges by the police himself! (seems to be a grey area in German laws, but I do not know) Man, you lawyers and idiots - that guy tried to put a knife into my poor belly, I have a 6 cm-long scar on my right side from a 2 cm deep cut when he tried to stab me! Obviously some people would expect me to accept being stabbed down and die in my blood.Accepting to be a victim is a virtue. Weakness is a virtue. Strength is elitary - it needs to be condemned. We are all a happy family, Western society is great, reasonable and tolerant. Death to anyone who casts the shadow of a doubt about this paradise.Perverted thinking stinks.

Thats terrible! It is understandable though because people who like to be victims can't stand people that are able to defend themselves (Its a phycology thing) and would rather die than give up their victim status. Problem is, these people seem to be the very people speaking the loudest to get their laws passed since people that can defend themselves don't give these thoughts a second thought.

What really needs to happen is that criminals should be held to and give up all their rights during the commision of a crime with intent to harm. Its the only way to fix what is broken.

-S

[CB..]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Thats terrible! It is understandable though because people who like to be victims can't stand people that are able to defend themselves (Its a phycology thing) and would rather die than give up their victim status. Problem is, these people seem to be the very people speaking the loudest to get their laws passed since people that can defend themselves don't give these thoughts a second thought.

What really needs to happen is that criminals should be held to and give up all their rights during the commision of a crime with intent to harm. Its the only way to fix what is broken.

-S

now come on that doesn't actually make any sense--which victims?
see how we get confused about all this..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Thats terrible! It is understandable though because people who like to be victims can't stand people that are able to defend themselves (Its a phycology thing) and would rather die than give up their victim status. Problem is, these people seem to be the very people speaking the loudest to get their laws passed since people that can defend themselves don't give these thoughts a second thought.

What really needs to happen is that criminals should be held to and give up all their rights during the commision of a crime with intent to harm. Its the only way to fix what is broken.

-S

There are two ways people deal with recogniozing they are inferior , compared to something. First possebility, they try to improve themselves so that they become competitive again, or gain the abilities and qualities they are lacking. second possebility, they try to bring down the better ones to their own mediocre misery and declare it a virtue to make the lesser standard the better one. Unfortunately, eurppean policies on antional and international levels are basing on the second "solution", as does the recipes and strategies of the political left in general. Speak out the word "elite" in Germany, and you get slapped for the rest of the day.

Let's be solidaric in our mediocrity. It makes living so much more a fulfilled experience. Equality for all!

[kiwi_2005]

By law in NZ we are not allowed to shoot anyone. If someone entered my home bent on stealing or killing me i am not allowed to shoot this person. I am allowed to beat them up but not allowed to kill them. Recently a father of 3 shot and killed a burglar who was standing in his lounge with a knife, so he got out his 22 rifle and shot him. He was dragged through the courts hounded by the media and made out to look like the crimmal while the dead victims family were all fussed over. Its total maddness some of the laws in our country, we are very lienent on criminals, another incident where a prisoner jumps the walls of one of our major prisons broke both his legs and claimed for ACC (accident compensation) and recieved $55000.
Although im yet to meet someone that would not shot a burglar. Oh well if i can't shoot the crim i do have a baseball bat and a nasty looking American Pitbull who is actually a real sook but they wont know that.

[Iku-turso]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'm really worried about Europe. I mean, if you have an intruder in your home, you can even protect yourself overthere.

I dont know about other european countries but in Finland you can,and i surely will.