Putin is turning Russia back into USSR

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i heard that Putin is starting a arms race in russia and going back to communism to restore the Old USSR

good for him ive waited for last 3 years for him to do that

why?

Bush accused him of helping "terrorists" (Iran, China oil deal)

Putin isnt taking sh*t anymore from bush i mean nobody on this planet shud

[Deathblow]

How soon things are forgoten.

We do remember how communism has proven inferior to capitalism in most every major measurement... the USSR just didn't trip and fall, it collapsed for reasons. And the current boom that China is experiencing is intimately related to the abadonment of communist ideals and the imbrace of capitalism, no coincidence there.

But heck, if Russia wants to convert back to communism and doom itself to being 2nd rate, who the heck cares.

[Happy Times]

The way they are going reminds me more of national socialism, though they have taken some traditions from USSR, but also from the late Russian Empire.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i heard that Putin is starting a arms race in russia and going back to communism to restore the Old USSR

Russia is in no position to start any arms race economically. And you must be too young to know what the USSR was. There are many that celebrated when it ceased to exist.

[The Noob]

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

[Yahoshua]

[quote=The Noob]Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism! quote]

Aw for christ sake kid.....do you even uderstand how capitalism works as opposed to Communism? Here's a crash course on economics:

Capitalism depends on independent owners creating a domestic and international market. And the reason there is such a large gap between the rich and poor is because of the LACK of education about money.

Rich people don't work for money, money works fro them. The rich own assets, assets create money and they don't have to do anything with those assets, employees take care of that. What employees don't know is how to handle money. Employees work, are taxed before they get their paycheck, get it, pay their bills, and then they get what's leftover, which isn't much.

The rich pay themselves first with legal, pre-tax dollars. So the rich will put their income from their assets and job (if they choose to work) back into their assets and spend pre-tax dollars before they're taxed, they do this by spending the money as a "Company Expense." For example: Vehicle repairs are a company expense, dinners and lunch with clients are company expenses, buying real-estate is a company expense, etc.

Whatever is left-over from company expenses is taxed by Uncle Sam. If you want more information about this I suggest you read a book called "Rich Dad & Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki.

Now about Communism. This sort of government had ONLY a domestic market, with no outlet for international markets. Farms are collectivised, and nobody is allowed to own any personal belongings. Everything is owned by the state.....even YOU.

China has actually outsmarted the Russians by giving in to a hybrid Communist/Capitalist market. China maintains an Iron Rod over her citizens and domestic affairs while selling goods that are in high demand to overseas markets.

This provides a constant cash-flow INTO CHina, keeping the domestic market alive. But I've yet to see a full-blown transition into a capitalist market with the Chinese buying goods from other nations in large quantities.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

But I've yet to see a full-blown transition into a capitalist market with the Chinese buying goods from other nations in large quantities.

They buy Buicks.

[Yahoshua]

I dunno about the Chinese buying buicks (they just want the governor chips right? j/k). But as far as everything else goes I haven't seen them buy basic needs like toilet paper or raw materials, or outsoucing some of their jobs over to us. Unless I missed something in-between the lines.

[Kapitan]

Russia has enough money to support its force now but only just enough, now the fleet is being downsized so there should be a fair amount left over for other things.

[STEED]

Over to Kapitan for comments on this one.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

Hmmm ... this could be true. I'm quitting my job tomorrow, down with progress. :rotfl:

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Hmmm ... this could be true. I'm quitting my job tomorrow, down with progress. :rotfl:

What's so funny about what i said?

BTW, 'Progress' is going way to Fast for me anyway.

[CB..]

depends on wether you believe that Russia abandoned communism under duress..if you can accept the possibility of that then it may be that what is actually happening is that Russia is simply taking notice of their emerging communist neighbours China..a not unsuccessful little country which is seemingly imune to the pull of American political power..perhaps because they have mopped up huge elements of the wests domestic good manufacturing market and some what cannily has bought a substantial proportion of Americas national debt..now if you were an old communist country who had been forced to abandon it's past under economic pressure from the west or you had simply run out of money..,,,and you noticed just how succesful your communist neighbour was-- and that neighbour wasn't ill disposed to some form of co-operation..well the possibilities are endless..damn right putins ressurecting the USSR--wouldn't you??

China is on the verge of becoming a super power in it's own right...Russia and China together would be pretty much unstoppable..even as they stand now..in 50 years time well...we can only hope we don't deliberatly set our selves up for a major fall by spending those 50 years winding the sods up..

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

I disagree.

Every political system is corrupt. The capitalist government is no less corrupt than the USSR's. Heck if you ask any US citizen he/she will openly admit that Washington politicians are greedy, corrupt, balantly, openly, and continuously showing that their true loyalties can be bought by political power and campaign funding.

Heck one of the original arguments of Marx against capitalism was that capitalism was inherently more prone to corruption. Its citizens openly motivated by greed and self-interest rather than duty or loyalty... even US military development is governed by one thing and one thing only... money, with contractors working only for self-interest to make cash off military contracts, which motivates quality.

So the corruption on both sides, capitalism and communism, is equal... given that... why did one side become the most dominant economic force in the history of civilization... and the other represent one of the worlds largest collapse?

Capitalism > Communism. Its been proven.

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by CB..

depends on wether you believe that Russia abandoned communism under duress..if you can accept the possibility of that then it may be that what is actually happening is that Russia is simply taking notice of their emerging communist neighbours China..a not unsuccessful little country which is seemingly imune to the pull of American political power..perhaps because they have mopped up huge elements of the wests domestic good manufacturing market and some what cannily has bought a substantial proportion of Americas national debt..now if you were an old communist country who had been forced to abandon it's past under economic pressure from the west or you had simply run out of money..,,,and you noticed just how succesful your communist neighbour was-- and that neighbour wasn't ill disposed to some form of co-operation..well the possibilities are endless..damn right putins ressurecting the USSR--wouldn't you??

China is on the verge of becoming a super power in it's own right...Russia and China together would be pretty much unstoppable..even as they stand now..in 50 years time well...we can only hope we don't deliberatly set our selves up for a major fall by spending those 50 years winding the sods up..

You should probably look into China a little closer. Its current economic boom is a direct result of its abandoment of communist systems and embrace of capitalistic systems. The more capitalistic its society gets, the stronger it becomes.

Here, try looking at these
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/red/view/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/ (sections 4, 5, and 6)