Delayed Secondry Explosions WIP (12 Sreenshots Teaser)

gouldjg · 05-11-06, 05:56 PM

Hi all

I need your opinions,

As a game play reason, I have gotten a little bored of watching ships just sink under the water with only the occasional little fire appearing now and again. I wanted something that was delayed, and damage causing to help my imagination grasp panicking men trying to make repairs and subsequent ruptures etc.

We all know the game has limits however we should never say never as long as we have imagination and willing. The little demo is to show that I am getting close to having it so that a ship will continue to float and then start to take later damage without you shooting at it to get the effects. What it means is this,

1. You shoot your torps, I was impatient so shot two to help ship sink faster. Please Note the times

2. You wait for ship to start to make contact with water,

3. I have added the crewmen to show effects but this can be randomsied as wip develops.

4. It just keeps getting better with a good few seconds between. Later I may get it to minutes.

5. Still also get the occasional fireball

6. We are in the next minute now and boom a big one.

7. Now they pop at other places also.

8. Oh here we go again, more and more at pretty good timings

9. Surely she is dead now

10. Maybe not

11. Hold on Jack ,just hold on

12. The last effect, Time for sinking with two good torps = 10 minutes. Effects occur spontaniously for 3.5 minutes.

I wanted to show you a longer sinking version but that would mean too many pics etc. This looks a lot better at night and yes it does take points away from the ships HP but it can be controlled and in fact, it helps the smaller ships go down quicker.

It is still early days and still a WIP whilst I build things and test everything. I may be adding extra oil floating spots also as I go. I will not be doing a fuel fire as it causes too much lag. I wish someone can play with that effect so it is PC friendly.

Anyway, I hope you like the possibilities. It does not have to be crewmen flying as you can change each effect. I like crewmen though cos I am sick that way.

iambecomelife · 05-11-06, 06:02 PM

Outstanding. I loved how in SH2 sinking ships would erupt with multiple secondaries. The effect was even better w/Gurp's fireball mod, I might add.

Oh, and it's kind of horrifying to see all those crewmwmbers in midair - makes it feel like you're attacking other men, and not just an inanimate ship...

GreyOctober · 05-11-06, 06:21 PM

JESUS! you da man gouldjig!

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I need your opinions

My oppinion? THIS ROCKS!

Keelbuster · 05-11-06, 06:24 PM

YES! This is good idea! In the current game, occasionally the boiler (i assume) will blow when the engine room sinks below the water line. But I like the idea of more secondary FX.

Kb

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this will also make up for the shortcomings of the new flotation/buoyancy damage mods (NYGM TW) - these mods have NO secondaries, but they really NEED them.

Ducimus · 05-11-06, 06:29 PM

Ohhhhh pretty colors!

Mikey likes it! Great concept.

Der Teddy Bar · 05-11-06, 06:32 PM

Always good to see your 'outside' the square work!

Well done

bill clarke · 05-11-06, 08:24 PM

Looks great, will it be compatible with Der Teddy Bar's damage mod ?

HEMISENT · 05-11-06, 09:26 PM

Outstanding as always Jason!

panthercules · 05-11-06, 10:42 PM

Can't wait to try this out - hope you get it so it will work with the NYGM/GW damage modeling - I like the sinking effects of the NYGM model in GW, but some extra explosions along the way to those delayed sinkings would really be awesome

Reece · 05-11-06, 10:49 PM

Damn that's good!

You can have a five minute break, then back to work!

PS. A little off subject but the Subsim picture at top left is gone, is it my PC or Subsim?

baxter · 05-12-06, 06:48 PM

This is great, I love it. I hope it becomes available and can be compatable with the NYGM ship damage mod.

XXi · 05-12-06, 08:16 PM

Great, especially considering the times ... not one big blow, but these delays are... sweet.

KptnLt Eric Karle · 05-13-06, 04:45 AM

This looks wonderful gouldjg, well done mate. Is this going to be available as a standalone mod or will we need any of the supermods?

gouldjg · 05-13-06, 06:32 AM

Just to let everyone know,

I have passed info to the NYGM team and ultimatly I feel it is best for them to decide whether they want first shot and doing something like this.

They built NYGM and it took them many many hours so they deserve first shot to choose whether or not to fully implement it.

If they want me to play at getting something similar on their current NYGM system so some players can choose whether or not to install it, I will try and whip one up for those said players. But it must be said, people should not then complain to NYGM team for side effects etc if discovered.

It must be undestood that this is still very early days and WIP. I have made my own damage model which uses randomised features. It is looking good for my current settings but may have another set of side effects on NYGM.

Points noted are as follows,

1. Stock damage model HP is just too low for this effect as it makes use of Ammo being stored. Even though the ammo damage has not been multiplied like critical locations, it still takes HP away from overeall ship.
NYGm would be able to make use as it is high HP based but then players may get effects and ship may still fail to sink which again may leave players with the "thats not realistic feeling".

2. The effect is permanent when installed on a fixed number damage model system, this means that it will happen all of the time when a ship starts to touch the water. In my current model WIP, I use randomisation features of sh3 commander but for those whom do not use sh3 commander, their may be a over gamey and repetative feel which may not be good for some realism fans.

Lets see what Der Teddy says on the matter, he may have already thought of a even better way than I have.

HawkerT · 05-13-06, 09:28 AM

OUTSTANDING!!!!

This is excellent news Gouldjg!!! Congratulations to you and the NYGM team!!! This will only make a great thing even more fantastic!

Man this rocks! I am so looking forward to the NYGM extravaganza version II.

Exciting times indeed

May your NYGM days be fruitfull and rewarding for you and all of us harvesting the fruits of your hard work.

/Frans

05-11-06, 05:56 PM	#1
gouldjg Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 881 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Delayed Secondry Explosions WIP (12 Sreenshots Teaser) Hi all I need your opinions, As a game play reason, I have gotten a little bored of watching ships just sink under the water with only the occasional little fire appearing now and again. I wanted something that was delayed, and damage causing to help my imagination grasp panicking men trying to make repairs and subsequent ruptures etc. We all know the game has limits however we should never say never as long as we have imagination and willing. The little demo is to show that I am getting close to having it so that a ship will continue to float and then start to take later damage without you shooting at it to get the effects. What it means is this, 1. You shoot your torps, I was impatient so shot two to help ship sink faster. Please Note the times 2. You wait for ship to start to make contact with water, 3. I have added the crewmen to show effects but this can be randomsied as wip develops. 4. It just keeps getting better with a good few seconds between. Later I may get it to minutes. 5. Still also get the occasional fireball 6. We are in the next minute now and boom a big one. 7. Now they pop at other places also. 8. Oh here we go again, more and more at pretty good timings 9. Surely she is dead now 10. Maybe not 11. Hold on Jack ,just hold on 12. The last effect, Time for sinking with two good torps = 10 minutes. Effects occur spontaniously for 3.5 minutes. I wanted to show you a longer sinking version but that would mean too many pics etc. This looks a lot better at night and yes it does take points away from the ships HP but it can be controlled and in fact, it helps the smaller ships go down quicker. It is still early days and still a WIP whilst I build things and test everything. I may be adding extra oil floating spots also as I go. I will not be doing a fuel fire as it causes too much lag. I wish someone can play with that effect so it is PC friendly. Anyway, I hope you like the possibilities. It does not have to be crewmen flying as you can change each effect. I like crewmen though cos I am sick that way.

05-11-06, 06:02 PM	#2
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Outstanding. I loved how in SH2 sinking ships would erupt with multiple secondaries. The effect was even better w/Gurp's fireball mod, I might add. Oh, and it's kind of horrifying to see all those crewmwmbers in midair - makes it feel like you're attacking other men, and not just an inanimate ship... __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

05-11-06, 06:24 PM	#4
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	YES! This is good idea! In the current game, occasionally the boiler (i assume) will blow when the engine room sinks below the water line. But I like the idea of more secondary FX. Kb edit ---- this will also make up for the shortcomings of the new flotation/buoyancy damage mods (NYGM TW) - these mods have NO secondaries, but they really NEED them. __________________

05-11-06, 09:26 PM	#8
HEMISENT Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 1,052 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Outstanding as always Jason! __________________ Nuke 'em till they glow!

05-11-06, 10:42 PM	#9
panthercules The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,336 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Can't wait to try this out - hope you get it so it will work with the NYGM/GW damage modeling - I like the sinking effects of the NYGM model in GW, but some extra explosions along the way to those delayed sinkings would really be awesome __________________

05-11-06, 06:29 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Ohhhhh pretty colors! Mikey likes it! Great concept.

05-11-06, 06:32 PM	#6
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Always good to see your 'outside' the square work! Well done

05-11-06, 08:24 PM	#7
bill clarke Captain Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia Posts: 519 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Looks great, will it be compatible with Der Teddy Bar's damage mod ?

05-11-06, 10:49 PM	#10
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,716 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Damn that's good! You can have a five minute break, then back to work! PS. A little off subject but the Subsim picture at top left is gone, is it my PC or Subsim? __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-12-06, 06:48 PM	#11
baxter 中国水兵 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 282 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is great, I love it. I hope it becomes available and can be compatable with the NYGM ship damage mod.

05-12-06, 08:16 PM	#12
XXi Ensign Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland / Nagoya, Japan Posts: 227 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Great, especially considering the times ... not one big blow, but these delays are... sweet. __________________ lasciate ogni speranza... voi, chi entrate

05-13-06, 04:45 AM	#13
KptnLt Eric Karle Ensign Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 229 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	This looks wonderful gouldjg, well done mate. Is this going to be available as a standalone mod or will we need any of the supermods? __________________ My Mod's: Karle's Silent Hunter III Mods My Music: http://www.reverbnation.com/thisturbulentpriest

05-13-06, 06:32 AM	#14
gouldjg Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 881 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Just to let everyone know, I have passed info to the NYGM team and ultimatly I feel it is best for them to decide whether they want first shot and doing something like this. They built NYGM and it took them many many hours so they deserve first shot to choose whether or not to fully implement it. If they want me to play at getting something similar on their current NYGM system so some players can choose whether or not to install it, I will try and whip one up for those said players. But it must be said, people should not then complain to NYGM team for side effects etc if discovered. It must be undestood that this is still very early days and WIP. I have made my own damage model which uses randomised features. It is looking good for my current settings but may have another set of side effects on NYGM. Points noted are as follows, 1. Stock damage model HP is just too low for this effect as it makes use of Ammo being stored. Even though the ammo damage has not been multiplied like critical locations, it still takes HP away from overeall ship. NYGm would be able to make use as it is high HP based but then players may get effects and ship may still fail to sink which again may leave players with the "thats not realistic feeling". 2. The effect is permanent when installed on a fixed number damage model system, this means that it will happen all of the time when a ship starts to touch the water. In my current model WIP, I use randomisation features of sh3 commander but for those whom do not use sh3 commander, their may be a over gamey and repetative feel which may not be good for some realism fans. Lets see what Der Teddy says on the matter, he may have already thought of a even better way than I have.

05-13-06, 09:28 AM	#15
HawkerT Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OUTSTANDING!!!! This is excellent news Gouldjg!!! Congratulations to you and the NYGM team!!! This will only make a great thing even more fantastic! Man this rocks! I am so looking forward to the NYGM extravaganza version II. Exciting times indeed May your NYGM days be fruitfull and rewarding for you and all of us harvesting the fruits of your hard work. /Frans