I want my crew to suffer! (Mod REQ)

[Dowly]

On my last patrol, I was DC´d ~10-15 times. My boat suffered some major damage from the charges, but I was able to repair most of it.

Then I started to think about it. I´ve had roughly two or three times, when someone from my crew has been wounded. The same amount of deaths.

Of course, there´s the hull giving cover for my crew, but there´s a lot of metal in the boat, where you can i.e. hit your head or etc.

So, to get to the point-- Is it possible to make a mod, that lowers the 'HPs' of the crew? So they get wounded more often.

I´m asking this, because for me it´s just silly to return home on a boat that looks like swiss cheese. But still everyone in the crew are in excellent shape.

Thanks in advance!

[Vonotto]

Ohhhh and to go even farther I want a window to pop open once in awhile and say something like,

Werner has burnt his hand in the galley

or

Lt Schmidt has been the butt of a practicle joke that went wrong and was lost overboard.

[lafeeverted]

Trying to find the relevant post (der teddy bar response to a similar topic) I believe that the crew deaths/injuries from DC attacks was low. certainly bumps and bruises/cuts etc and the occasional broken limb did occur. Deaths from injury were rare. I have yet to get injured crew so I am not sure what levels of injury are represented.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by lafeeverted

Trying to find the relevant post (der teddy bar response to a similar topic) I believe that the crew deaths/injuries from DC attacks was low. certainly bumps and bruises/cuts etc and the occasional broken limb did occur. Deaths from injury were rare. I have yet to get injured crew so I am not sure what levels of injury are represented.

Yeah, I remember the posts. I´m not aiming for the realism on this one. It just would add more to the immersion for me.

[lafeeverted]

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...ht=crew+deaths


That is the topic. I thought the relevant changes were also mentioned, but after reading through it i don't think a solution was provided. Perhaps PM CB.. and see what he did??

[Observer]

If starting a new career, open each of the crew config files in notepad in the \data\cfg folder. Use the find feature and change

HitPoints=

to whatever you want it to be. If you want loads of casualties, I'd suggest something low like 5 or 6. Each entry would look like

HitPoints=6

If you are mid career and you want to change an existing crew, navigate to your captain in the My Docs folder and look for the Crew_Career_xxx.cfg where xxx is the biggest number of all the crew configs. Do the same thing as outlined above.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Observer

If starting a new career, open each of the crew config files in notepad in the \data\cfg folder. Use the find feature and change

HitPoints=

to whatever you want it to be. If you want loads of casualties, I'd suggest something low like 5 or 6. Each entry would look like

HitPoints=6

If you are mid career and you want to change an existing crew, navigate to your captain in the My Docs folder and look for the Crew_Career_xxx.cfg where xxx is the biggest number of all the crew configs. Do the same thing as outlined above.

Thanks!

[kiwi_2005]

Wow, nice sunset sig Dowly.

Sorry nothing here about your question. But you could never send them to rest, instead make them work 24/7

[CB..]

i tried all sorts of differring crew hp settings and never got a nice balance--
what i got was an all or nothing result everytime--

either half the crew would be wiped out or seriously wounded or none at all--

wasn't interested in the facts only in making better gameplay use of the barracks facility in the game--train a crew member lose him and have to spend renown on a new crew member--the facility is there seems logical to try to bring it into use--allso makes the medic qualification a little more meaningfull--
but no such luck im afraid---all or nothing seems to be the rule--from a purely gameplay point of view- it might be relevant to focus on the HP for the torpedo room/crew and or Officers- as this might have an impact on gameplay -with patience it might be possible to get the effect your after--im afraid i ran out of patience before i got close--
i wanted as you say to be able to guage my success not only with tonnage sunk but averaged out against crew members injured and or lost
as this IMO would give a much fairer and "human" element to the gameplay--as you say immersive

in the end tho i settled for a jigged damage set up rendering all boat subsytems far more liable to damage than stock--with the result that i can frequently be left with a smashed boat completely useless for any desired attack---engines tubes batterys scopes etc all destroyed but hull integrity still intact--so that's patrol over--head home for repairs--would have loved to add the loss of two or three crew members to this sort of situation but all i could get was a massacre or none at all

[rudewarrior]

Try the Hollywood Damage Mod. The damage done to the uboat is more, I guess, "intense." :hmm:

The damage in the uboat takes longer to repair, and crew members get seem to get killed/wounded a little more. Don't know if it is exactly what you are looking for, but I think it will suffice.

Check it out here: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...llywood+damage

It really does something about that "tiger tank" uboat.

[VonHelsching]

Originally Posted by rudewarrior

Try the Hollywood Damage Mod. The damage done to the uboat is more, I guess, "intense." :hmm:

The damage in the uboat takes longer to repair, and crew members get seem to get killed/wounded a little more. Don't know if it is exactly what you are looking for, but I think it will suffice.

Check it out here: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...llywood+damage

It really does something about that "tiger tank" uboat.

I couldn't agree more. I saw wounded sailors (apart from lookouts) only after the Advanced Holywood Damage. It changes the way the game is played. Definitly a must-mod

[Tikigod]

Originally Posted by lafeeverted

Trying to find the relevant post (der teddy bar response to a similar topic) I believe that the crew deaths/injuries from DC attacks was low. certainly bumps and bruises/cuts etc and the occasional broken limb did occur. Deaths from injury were rare. I have yet to get injured crew so I am not sure what levels of injury are represented.

uboat.net has lists of types of injuries....obviously its not all the recorded incidents. but, it does have a nice sampling of the types that were common among the crew:

http://uboat.net/men/men_lost.htm

Year Incidents Losses Dead Wounded
1939 2 2 1 1
1940 6 12 12 0
1941 15 37 20 17
1942 36 49 42 7
1943 67 187 74 113
1944 60 212 75 137
1945 12 24 24 0
------------------------------------------------------
198 523 248 275

It seems like most injuries occurred in accidents and air attacks. I only saw one recorded from depth charges dropped and that was from an aircraft while the uboat was surfaced. So, it looks like most injuries occured at the surface and most accidents occured from torpedoes or the deck or AA misfiring. Tons of guys were lost being washed overboard. Many times it looks like they couldn't be rescued. There were a few suicides...and a few injuries and deaths from fires spreading onboard. These records they post on uboat.net are of serious wounds and not bumps, scratches and common injuries that were work related. So, these would be the kind that would be recorded as injuried but, not dead in game. It also looks like if 5-7 guys or more would get wounded or if commander was wounded the uboat would abort mission and return home. If less crew were injured 1-3 etc they were usually trasfered off at next port or resupply with milk cow.

-4 men from the boat were injured in an accident while reloading torpedoes.
-1 wounded in a fire at Danzig during the boat´s working up exercises
-The 105mm gun exploded during firing wounding 6 men.
-That fire onboard killed 28 men
-the gun crew forgot to remove the water plug from the barrel, causing an explosion that killed one man. The gunnery officer lost his right leg in this incident, and so had to be put ashore into captivity.
-U-123 had a gunnery duel off the US east coast. One man from U-123 was fatally wounded in the action and died a few hours later
-A Wellington aircraft (Sqdn 311/A) attacked U-106 killing the WO and wounding the Commander. The boat had only left Lorient, France 2 days earlier and was forced to return.
-While U-598 was refuelling in the Middle Atlantic by U-463 one of its men drowned during maintenance work on the hydroplanes and propellers
-The boat fought an epic battle with the British corvette HMS Crocus on 6 Oct, 1942. The U-boat lost 3 men dead (including the IWO) and several men wounded, including the commander. The boat was heavily damaged and limped back to base with help from a replacement WO from the Milk Cow U-459
-One man lost after illness at sea
-1 man was killed and 3 wounded on U-453 in an accident during handling the machine gun.
-After an explosion during torpedo loading on the U-67 one man was killed.
-The II WO and one lookout from U-505 were seriously wounded in an air attack by an Hudson aircraft from the 53th Squadron RAF
-12 days later the wounded II WO was transferred to the Milk Cow U-462
-A Liberator aircraft attack (Sqdn 120/O) on U-471 on 23 Dec wounded 3 men
-A man fell overboard, he was rescued died of heart failure shortly afterwards.
-The famous U-boat was attacked by a Mosquito aircraft from the 618 Squadron suffering 1 man dead and 2 wounded.
-An RAF Sunderland aircraft attacked U-448, killing one man and wounding 2.
-A man died of illness on 15 Oct.
-A Hudson aircraft (Sqdn 269/S) attacked U-731 on 4 Oct. The commander and 5 more men were wounded and the boat was damaged.
-U-340 rescued 5 Luftwaffe airmen off Spain on 25 August. Shortly afterwards the boat was attacked by an aircraft and a few men were wounded
-U-66 was caught by Avenger and Wildcat aircraft from the escort carrier USS Card on 3 August and 3 men were killed and 8 more wounded, including the commander.
-6 men were wounded during an attack from a Wellington aircraft (Sqdn 547/B).
-On 27 July U-466 was attacked by a Liberator aircraft, the boat was damaged and 5 men were wounded.
-A torpedo explosion on board of U-709 killed 2 men and wounded another
-3 Beaufighter aircraft attacked U-441 on 12 July. 10 men were killed and 13 more wounded, including most of the naval officers
-On 3 July U-420 was attacked by a Canadian Liberator aircraft (Sqdn 10/B) and two men were killed with one more wounded when the boat was hit with a Fido homing torpedo.
-This Milk-cow suffered one dead and 4 wounded during an attack from Mosquito aircraft from RAF Squadrons 151 & 456
-A B-17 Fortress (Sqdn 206/F) killed the Obersteuermann and wounded 3 men during an attack that damaged the boat.
-A Mosquito aircraft attacked the U-68 killing 1 and wounding 3 more. U-68 later was given the doctor onboard of U-155 for some medical treatment
-The boat was attacked by no less than 8 Avenger aircraft from USS Bogue on 8 June, 1943. U-758 was the first boat to be fitted with a very powerful anti-aircraft system and managed to escape without fatal damage while shooting one of the attackers down. 7 men were wounded
-A British B-17 aircraft (Sqdn 220/A) caught the U-450 on the surface on 6 June wounding 7 men. Boat was heavily damaged and reached the base at Brest only with assistance of other boats.
-The boat was heading home through the Bay of Biscay when it was attacked by a Whitley aircraft. The commander and a crewmember were heavily wounded. The crewmember died two weeks later in a hospital in Paris
-The boat was attacked by an American PBY-5A Catalina of VP-84/P-5. Three of U-533´s gun crew were injured by the Catalina's .30 cal. gunfire
-The new 37mm anti-aircraft cannon on U-181 exploded in action while on patrol in the South Atlantic killing one man and wounding two more
-The commander of the boat was heavily wounded and died next night in the Navy hospital at Travemünde
-While serving as a Flak boat on 13 Jan U-621 was attacked by a Liberator (RAF Sqdn 59/A) and suffered 1 man killed and 6 wounded. Matrosengefreiter Heinz Thomas was mortally wounded and later buried at sea. The commander decided to abort the patrol. U-621 took ten days to limp back to Brest.
-A Liberator (RAF Sqdn 10) attacked the boat with 8 depth charges. One man died and another was wounded
-During an air attack the boat suffered 3 dead and 3 wounded
-The boat was attacked by aircraft and 2 men were wounded
-The boat was attacked by an Avenger aircraft from the escort carrier USS Block Island in the Mid Atlantic. One man died and 9 men were wounded
-14 men from the boat were wounded during a battle with 2 Mosquito aircraft (RAF Sqdn 618/L/I). The boat entered port at La Pallice, France the same day.
-The Commander of the boat, Oblt. Oskar Kusch, was executed on 12 May ´for his anti-Hitler views´ after his IWO* turned him in.
-A Canadian Sunderland aircraft (Sqdn 422/R) attacked the boat. The aircraft was shot down but not before wounding 3 men, including the Commander, Oblt. Wolfgang Leu. As the boat crash dived Leu got both his wounded men down but did not manage to get down into the tower himself. He slammed the hatch down as the boat dove and was drowned.
-Mosquito aircraft (Sqdn 248/P) attacked the boat. 2 men were killed and 7 more wounded.
-The boat was attacked by a Norwegian Mosquito aircraft (Sqdn 333/L), the boat was damaged and 5 men were wounded
-On 18 July a Norwegian Mosquito aircraft (Sqdn 333/K) attacked the boat, causing damages and killing 1 man and wounding 7 more
-1 AA gunner was killed and 6 more wounded during a battle with a Liberator aircraft
-Two Mosquitos (RAF 333 Sqd/E/F) attacked the boat killing 1 and wounding 7 men
-The boat was attacked by two Martlet aircraft (Wilcats), 3 men were killed and 8 wounded
-After being damaged by a Liberator (Sqdn 224/R) the boat suffered Schnorchel damage which resulted in a CO2 poisoning of its crew. One man died
-During a torpedo explosion on board the boat 2 men were killed and 1 more wounded
-During a Schnorchel failure the crew suffered a CO2 poisoning where 1 man died
-During an air raid on Libau 2 men from the boat were killed and 3 more wounded.

As far as a mod that allows your crew to suffer .....I agree at this point Advanced Hollywood for RUB/IUB is the way to go....I have that installed over my RUB 1.45, HT Traffic install....I'm using NYGM crew fatigue model so I'm not sure if that affected what is in the Hollywood Crew Fatigue that is made specifically for Advanced RUB compartments....but, I have been liking it so far.

I just would liek to see maybe injuries and death resulted from C)2 poisoning..if levels get too high. Like have a trickle effect spread with few and then many as you stay submerged beyond the limits.

[Dowly]

Okay, I got to try the Hollywood mod. Thanks for your responses!