Cant mark sonar contacts BB

GunnersMate · 02-23-06, 01:35 PM

I have a faint contact that doesnt's show clearly on STA but is a very clear distinct path on ITA but the MARK or ASSIGN TRACKER button doesnt work!!

Can anyone help me here please ?!?

I'm running 1.03 and LWAMI 3.00B
I'll post a screenshot .

GunnersMate · 02-23-06, 01:46 PM

The contacts are at 010 and 170 thereabouts.

Bellman · 02-23-06, 02:07 PM

You show Auto control sonar - not tried it for a couple of years but did'nt think you could mark manualy
at that time.

So you have to ask yourself have you tried to mark in BB manualy and if that was not successful did you try to
mark the actual tonals in NB ?

GunnersMate · 02-23-06, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bellman

You show Auto control sonar - not tried it for a couple of years but did'nt think you could mark manualy
at that time.

umm.. What is "auto control sonar"? Do you mean Autocrew? If you did I never use Autocrew on sonar.
Well :hmm: except on active intercept

Edit - I only use Autocrew on TMA and radar sometimes.

zma · 02-23-06, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunnersMate

I have a faint contact that doesnt's show clearly on STA but is a very clear distinct path on ITA but the MARK or ASSIGN TRACKER button doesnt work!!

Can anyone help me here please ?!?

I'm running 1.03 and LWAMI 3.00B
I'll post a screenshot .

I was wondering about this same thing a while back... Basically, this behaviour is caused by a fixed treshold value in the sonar interface which prevents too faint contacts being marked. The LWAMI mod increases the sensitivity of the sphere sonar, but can't do anything about the threshold value, since it's hardcoded in the interface. And that means you can see a faint contact in BB, but can't assign a tracker to it. Or, at least, that's how I've understood it.

Like Bellman suggested, try to assign a tracker in narrowband. It's a good workaround, and you can assign a BB tracker once the signal is stronger.

Bellman · 02-23-06, 11:04 PM

Ummm ! Did you mean ''never'', or almost never , use AC sonar ?

OKO · 02-23-06, 11:10 PM

the sonar AC shown on the screen is switched off, and not on, Bellman

Bellman · 02-23-06, 11:31 PM

OKO - my monitor was still in 'high gamma' diving mode.,,,,,,,,,,, his AC flag looked pallid !

Anyways he should have been in NB.

BigBadVuk · 02-23-06, 11:55 PM

I have also the same problem and my autoCrew for sonar is always off!!!
And i use 1.03 full + latest LWAMI....It is same for SA and TA....i have very faint contact and i just cant mark him!...After a lot of clickings i stoped and i went to second stations ...And then suddenly :Conn. Sonar I have new contact.....

The faint contact in the meanwhile becomed more loud and he was marked...I know that i didnt have auto crew enabled so what is going on?

Bellman · 02-24-06, 12:50 AM

BBV - yes there is often a delay after trying to assign a tracker on BB, before it is shown and called.
But I think you will find faint tonals on that bearing in NB, and if you select one you can mark and assign a tracker.
Make sure if this contact is via TA that you justify it by eliminating the ghost first. OK you have no demon
until a BB replacement is available as you close range. You need to constantly monitor the BB bearing of this NB
contact and keep trying to assign, so that you can work demon and TMA.

You mention a delay also on marking in SA but my impression is that these,and the TA ones, are relatively short
in duration - around a minute and just a delayed response. If it is longer then it would be a cool SCS interpretation
of the senior sonar operator issuing instructions to a crewman to search with a following delay before success.
This type of 'memory' would nicely avoid the ''constant monitoring'' I doubt its a feature that is present in-game.

sonar732 · 02-24-06, 07:50 AM

There are usually four members of the sonar crew in the shack at all times unless they are short in their division.

1. Sonar Supervisor (The reporter on DW and SC...Conn, Sonar...)
2. Sphere Operator
3. Towed Array Operator
4. FRAZ Operator

Either one of the 3 "lower" men have to investigate the contact, then report it to the Sonar Supervisor who's at least an E-5, if he's sharp, who then concurs and reports to the Conn.

Dr.Sid · 02-24-06, 08:45 AM

There is delay before marked contact is reported in audio, but no delay in log window and on map (or TMA window). At least I have never seen it.

Bellman · 02-24-06, 08:50 AM

Thanks sonar732 - interesting. Almost a five - a- side !

Bellman · 02-24-06, 09:16 AM

Dr S - I often see an unsuccessful attempt to assign in BB at a bearing you are monitoring (no tracker assigned) in NB and
often when you return to NB the call comes through with a small delay when the tracker has become established in BB.
Never timed it, but it just seemed to confirm that as you close range that BB bearing request for an assigned tracker
sticks, without any BB tonal/s, then kicks -in.

Reminded me of my first car an old Armstrong Siddley with a pre-selector semi-auto box and fluid flywheel.
Choose the next desired gear, kick the pedal and wait - not long, but just long enough to make you wonder whether
it was really gonna happen. :hmm:

02-23-06, 01:35 PM	#1
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Cant mark sonar contacts BB I have a faint contact that doesnt's show clearly on STA but is a very clear distinct path on ITA but the MARK or ASSIGN TRACKER button doesnt work!! Can anyone help me here please ?!? I'm running 1.03 and LWAMI 3.00B I'll post a screenshot . __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

02-23-06, 01:46 PM	#2
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The contacts are at 010 and 170 thereabouts. __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

02-23-06, 02:07 PM	#3
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	You show Auto control sonar - not tried it for a couple of years but did'nt think you could mark manualy at that time. So you have to ask yourself have you tried to mark in BB manualy and if that was not successful did you try to mark the actual tonals in NB ? __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

02-23-06, 11:04 PM	#6
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Ummm ! Did you mean ''never'', or almost never , use AC sonar ? __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

02-23-06, 11:31 PM	#8
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	OKO - my monitor was still in 'high gamma' diving mode.,,,,,,,,,,, his AC flag looked pallid ! Anyways he should have been in NB. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

02-23-06, 11:10 PM	#7
OKO Commander Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Solar system, mainly on earth Posts: 476 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	the sonar AC shown on the screen is switched off, and not on, Bellman

02-23-06, 11:55 PM	#9
BigBadVuk Ensign Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 222 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I have also the same problem and my autoCrew for sonar is always off!!! And i use 1.03 full + latest LWAMI....It is same for SA and TA....i have very faint contact and i just cant mark him!...After a lot of clickings i stoped and i went to second stations ...And then suddenly :Conn. Sonar I have new contact..... The faint contact in the meanwhile becomed more loud and he was marked...I know that i didnt have auto crew enabled so what is going on? __________________ Any ship can submerge.. Only submarine can surface!

02-24-06, 12:50 AM	#10
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	BBV - yes there is often a delay after trying to assign a tracker on BB, before it is shown and called. But I think you will find faint tonals on that bearing in NB, and if you select one you can mark and assign a tracker. Make sure if this contact is via TA that you justify it by eliminating the ghost first. OK you have no demon until a BB replacement is available as you close range. You need to constantly monitor the BB bearing of this NB contact and keep trying to assign, so that you can work demon and TMA. You mention a delay also on marking in SA but my impression is that these,and the TA ones, are relatively short in duration - around a minute and just a delayed response. If it is longer then it would be a cool SCS interpretation of the senior sonar operator issuing instructions to a crewman to search with a following delay before success. This type of 'memory' would nicely avoid the ''constant monitoring'' I doubt its a feature that is present in-game. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

02-24-06, 07:50 AM	#11
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	There are usually four members of the sonar crew in the shack at all times unless they are short in their division. 1. Sonar Supervisor (The reporter on DW and SC...Conn, Sonar...) 2. Sphere Operator 3. Towed Array Operator 4. FRAZ Operator Either one of the 3 "lower" men have to investigate the contact, then report it to the Sonar Supervisor who's at least an E-5, if he's sharp, who then concurs and reports to the Conn.

02-24-06, 08:45 AM	#12
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	There is delay before marked contact is reported in audio, but no delay in log window and on map (or TMA window). At least I have never seen it.

02-24-06, 08:50 AM	#13
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Thanks sonar732 - interesting. Almost a five - a- side ! __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

02-24-06, 09:16 AM	#14
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Dr S - I often see an unsuccessful attempt to assign in BB at a bearing you are monitoring (no tracker assigned) in NB and often when you return to NB the call comes through with a small delay when the tracker has become established in BB. Never timed it, but it just seemed to confirm that as you close range that BB bearing request for an assigned tracker sticks, without any BB tonal/s, then kicks -in. Reminded me of my first car an old Armstrong Siddley with a pre-selector semi-auto box and fluid flywheel. Choose the next desired gear, kick the pedal and wait - not long, but just long enough to make you wonder whether it was really gonna happen. :hmm: __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity