Europe in revolt!

[Rockstar]

Must mean European civil war on the horizon.

no like here it isn’t

Those in power will demonize populism as some far tip of the wings extremists. But populism is IMO democracy in action it’s when people become tired with the way they perceive things are heading.

[mapuc]

No you are right, Europe is heading for a showdown.

It's funny how many Europeans are asking them self why right wings parties are popular. Use to say to these "Take a look at the society it is in decay"

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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Must mean European civil war on the horizon.

no like here it isn’t

…. Whoops I guess I was wrong.


French parties hold key debate as Macron warns of ‘civil war’

https://insiderpaper.com/french-part...-of-civil-war/

France’s three main political camps were set to go head-to-head Tuesday in a key TV debate as voters prepared for the most polarising election in decades and President Emmanuel Macron warned of “civil war”.

The rhetoric has reached fever pitch ahead of Sunday’s first round of voting in the parliamentary elections, with the far-right National Rally (RN) polling in first place.

Tuesday night’s debate will pit Prime Minister Gabriel Attal of Macron’s centrist Renaissance party against RN president Jordan Bardella and Manuel Bompard of France Unbowed, representing a left-wing alliance that is also besting Macron’s side in the polls.

At just 28, Bardella could become the first far-right prime minister in France’s modern history, though he has said he will only take the job if the RN wins an absolute majority in parliament.

Regardless of the result, Macron has vowed to stay on as president until the end of his second term in 2027.

He has been criticised from all sides for his decision to call the snap election after his party received a drubbing in a European vote earlier this month.

An Ifop poll has the RN on 36 percent support, the left-wing New Popular Front on 29.5 percent and Macron’s camp on 20.5 percent, leading the unpopular president’s allies to beg him to step back from the campaign.

But Macron weighed in on Monday evening to warn that the programmes of the two “extremes” could spark a “civil war”, accusing both the RN and France Unbowed of sowing tensions and division.

Leaders of both left and right condemned his remarks.

RN leader Marine Le Pen said Macron’s argument was “weak” and showed “he thinks he’s lost this election”.

Patrick Kanner, head of the centre-left Socialists in the Senate, said his remarks showed France is “faced with someone who no longer controls anything.”

Some suggested that Tuesday’s TV debate was unlikely to change the balance between the three blocs.

“What debate? People have already chosen, it’s already crystallised,” a top member of Macron’s team, who asked not to be named, told AFP. “Maybe it can help us with the abstainers.”

Some 200 socialist, environmentalist and centrist figures signed an open letter against the far-right in Le Monde newspaper, calling on all parties to unite against the RN in the second-round run-off on July 7.

Meanwhile, Bardella and Attal both requested that the left-wing slot in Tuesday’s debate be taken by France Unbowed founder Jean-Luc Melenchon rather than Bompard.

A former presidential candidate, Melenchon is the most recognisable but also the most divisive figure on the left due to his radical positions.

Many on the left hope a more “consensus” candidate will take the post of prime minister if they win.

Melenchon “is not the leader of the New Popular Front and he will not be prime minister,” Ecologist Party leader Marine Tondelier told AFP on Monday.

Melenchon himself has refused to rule himself out of the running, saying his name “opens doors in working-class neighbourhoods.”

In a sign of how traditional parties have collapsed, the right-wing Republicans are not represented in Tuesday’s TV debate at all.

They brought a case before the Council of State, France’s highest administrative court, insisting they be included.

[mapuc]

He have used this phrase in the last French election

The question is not if, but merely, when will it start, the French Civil war ?

It's not only France, we see it in almost every European country where right wings parties are popular or in charge.

And who's to blame ? The politicians ? No! The ones to blame is the voters.
They have seen where it is heading in the last 30-40 years and despite this they have kept on voting on their trusted party or politicians.

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[Skybird]

Super-Uschi is being nominated again by the heads of states although charges and investigations are up against her and her guilt is obvious. That shows how much there is a "revolution". And what EU legislation and law is worth. Its feudal opportunism.



To 95% it all is just "the same procedure like every year".

[Rockstar]

While Brits are going door to door rounding up Africans for immediate deportation.

Polish soldiers are shooting at migrants on the Polish Belorussian border.

[Rockstar]

Macron Under Fire Over France 'Civil War' Warning

By AFP - Agence France Presse
June 25, 2024

French President Emmanuel Macron came under strong criticism on Tuesday for warning a far-right or hard-left win in snap polls could spark a "civil war", with his opponents urging him not to scare the public.

France is preparing to vote on Sunday in the country's most polarising ballot in decades. Macron called the parliamentary polls after the far-right National Rally scored a runaway victory in European Parliament elections earlier this month.

French President Emmanuel Macron came under strong criticism on Tuesday for warning a far-right or hard-left win in snap polls could spark a "civil war", with his opponents urging him not to scare the public.

France is preparing to vote on Sunday in the country's most polarising ballot in decades. Macron called the parliamentary polls after the far-right National Rally scored a runaway victory in European Parliament elections earlier this month.

"We are faced with someone who no longer controls anything," he said.

Jean-Luc Melenchon, the head of France Unbowed, also criticised Macron, saying on Monday night: "He's always there to set things on fire."

The three main camps -- left, far-right and centre -- are set for a key TV debate on Tuesday evening.

It will pit Prime Minister Gabriel Attal of Macron's centrist Renaissance party against far-right RN party leader Bardella and Manuel Bompard of the left-wing New Popular Front.

Some polls have suggested the RN could win 35-36 percent in the first-round vote on Sunday, ahead of the left-wing alliance on 27-29.5 percent and Macron's centrists coming third on 19.5-22 percent.

A second round of voting will follow on July 7 in constituencies where no candidate takes more than 50 percent in the first round.

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The Barron's news department was not involved in the creation of the content above. This article was produced by AFP. For more information go to AFP.com.
© Agence France-Presse

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Must mean European civil war on the horizon.

Europe is not like the USA, Europe consist of independent countries Like Germany, France, Denmark a.s.o. Each of them with their own flag and national hymn.

The Question should be-In which European country will Civil war start and which European country will follow?

Otherwise you're right, in some, if not many European countries the prospect of a civil war is high.

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[Exocet25fr]

I don't believe about a French Civil War!

Certainly, there will be extreme left wings demonstrations with their undemocratic black blocs.....

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Europe is not like the USA, Europe consist of independent countries Like Germany, France, Denmark a.s.o. Each of them with their own flag and national hymn.

The Question should be-In which European country will Civil war start and which European country will follow?

Otherwise you're right, in some, if not many European countries the prospect of a civil war is high.

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Our states have their own hymns and flags too.

Id contend the European Union is quite similar to the characteristics of the U.S. Federal Government.

It shares most features of what the literature defines as a federation:

It has at least two orders of government, each existing under its own right and exercises direct influence on the people.

European Treaties allocate jurisdiction and resources to these two main orders of government.

There are provisions for `shared government' in areas where the jurisdiction of the EU and the Member States overlap.

Community law enjoys supremacy over national law, it is the law of the land (Bundesrecht bricht Landesrecht).

European legislation is increasingly made by majority decision obliging individual Member States against their will.

At the same time, the composition and procedures of the European institutions are based not solely on principles of majoritarian representation, but guarantee the representation of `minority' views.

The European Court of Justice serves as an umpire to adjudicate conflicts between the European institutions and the Member States. And finally, the EU has a directly elected parliament (since 1979).

The EU only lacks a few significant features of a federation.

First, the Member States remain the ‘masters' of the treaties, i.e., they have the exclusive power to amend or change the constitutive treaties of the EU.

Second, the EU lacks a real `tax and spend' capacity, in other words, there is no fiscal federalism.

Third E.U. member States may leave the Union whereas over here once you join the Union there is no turning back, you are in it for life.


On a side note contrary to the anonymous clickbait, I don’t think there is any prospect for civil it’s not even a blip on the RADAR screen in the E.U. or U.S. However I would agree according to Michael Morell terrorism is the current primary threat to our both our nations security.

[Exocet25fr]

French Elections: Far-Right Rassemblement National Wins First Round

https://deadline.com/2024/06/french-...ls-1235998007/

[Moonlight]

Good for her, there wouldn't be any need for Marine Le Pen and her party if those politicians of the past had done their job right in the first place, this has been coming for a long time.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Good for her, there wouldn't be any need for Marine Le Pen and her party if those politicians of the past had done their job right in the first place, this has been coming for a long time.

True! Use to say to those of my friends who votes left-
"Take a look inside of yourself and see how you and tens of thousands have voted the last 30-40 years-When you have, you will understand that it was you who saw the seed to these right wing parties or racist parties as you like to call them"

The same goes for people who vote right or middle-Even their 30-40 years of voting have created the ground for these far right parties.

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