China is today's equivalent of Nazi Germany

[Onkel Neal]

The Chinese govt. has an iron grip on the rights of its people. Can you imagine posting something against an official and then the govt censors sweep the internet and take control of your social media accounts, posing as you?

https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ontent=feature

When inconvenient news erupts on the Chinese internet, the censors jump into action.

Twenty minutes was all it took to mobilize after Peng Shuai, the tennis star and one of China’s most famous athletes, went online and accused Zhang Gaoli, a former vice premier, of sexual assault.

Even as the censors broadly muted discussions, they were careful to leave some references to Peng. They kept Peng’s account on Weibo but made it nearly invisible by removing it from search results. They disabled comments on Peng’s posts and on other older articles that mentioned her name. The tactic effectively closed off digital forums where the curious might discuss the accusations.

It's crazy how the rest of the world goes along with this. The Wuhan virus, breaching the Hong Kong agreements, soon it will be Taiwan. Meanwhile, the United States handed over out manufacturing base to China. Hollywood and the NBA are gladly advocating for the Chinese Nazis. And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

[Skybird]

Yes, a lot in and around China reminds of Germany in the 30s of last century. One hopes it does not end like back then, but how can one seriously rule it out, how cna one seriously expect hisotry will not repeat itself if the starting conditons are that similiar? The agitation is the same. The bullying is the same. The tretament of minorities is the same. The Lagers are there, their pendants of them. The military threatening. The nationalist regime propaganda. The public extreme patriotism and nationalism. The state controlled economy and money. The belief of the party to be so powerful that the idea of not succeeding is almost unimaginable. The spirit of being on a historic mission.



A worrying lot reminds of Germany in the mid and late 30s.

[Catfish]

I have to agree, though i am not sure about PROC's intentions towards invasions of non-chinese territory. Compared to Germany they have no neutral country to cross to attack Taiwan, as Germany had. They of course claim the other chinese territory of Taiwan for them, but i do not think they will go further anytime soon.

The inner system of the PROC has a lot of similarities, with new technologies this is supervision on steroids. We of course have the latter, too, just not using it to full extent. Yet.

And OT here, but: Maybe a bit unwise of Biden to threaten China (only) with sanctions in case of an aggressive act towards Taiwan, while at the same time saying he would not go to war over this.. an open invitation? Why did he even say anything about this, instead of keeping Xi Jin Ping in doubt?

Double OT and fictional: what if some western power would sign a military treaty with Taiwan against mainland chinese aggression? I see this as the only chance for Taiwan..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I have to agree, though i am not sure about PROC's intentions towards invasions of non-chinese territory. They of course claim the other chinese Taiwan for them, but i do not think they will go further.

South Chinese Sea. They already harass civilian ships and boats there at will, with their very huge armada of coastguard cutters - even within the 12nm zones of other foreign nations. Said natiosn are too weak to confront them indivodually, and that they all toegtehr untie in ione big allaince like NATO to confront China is something I do not expect to see happenign any time soon. Not when it is about harassing fisherboats and trawlers.



And in Europe, even with Merkel gone and Baerbock in (Scholz however already is like Merkel extremely sinophile...), China still has one of the two big protectors, maybe the bigger of the two protectors of its interests at the helm: France.

[Catfish]

China committed genocide against Uyghurs, independent tribunal rules

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59595952

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I have to agree, though i am not sure about PROC's intentions towards invasions of non-chinese territory. Compared to Germany they have no neutral country to cross to attack Taiwan, as Germany had. They of course claim the other chinese territory of Taiwan for them, but i do not think they will go further anytime soon.

The inner system of the PROC has a lot of similarities, with new technologies this is supervision on steroids. We of course have the latter, too, just not using it to full extent. Yet.

And OT here, but: Maybe a bit unwise of Biden to threaten China (only) with sanctions in case of an aggressive act towards Taiwan, while at the same time saying he would not go to war over this.. an open invitation? Why did he even say anything about this, instead of keeping Xi Jin Ping in doubt?

Double OT and fictional: what if some western power would sign a military treaty with Taiwan against mainland chinese aggression? I see this as the only chance for Taiwan..

Yeah, Taiwan's goose is cooked. The US will not do anything militarily, no way. Everyone knows that. As far as keeping Xi in doubt, Biden is perpetually in doubt of himself, doesn't even know what year it is half the time.

The level of control the Chinese leaders have over a billion people staggers me, and that no one seems to pay a lot of attention to this danger... crazy. This is a country that does not allow YouTube.

[mapuc]

They(China) has our leaders by their balls.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

The West does not have the numbers...nor the will.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

As far as keeping Xi in doubt, Biden is perpetually in doubt of himself, doesn't even know what year it is half the time.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yeah, Taiwan's goose is cooked. The US will not do anything militarily, no way. Everyone knows that. As far as keeping Xi in doubt, Biden is perpetually in doubt of himself, doesn't even know what year it is half the time.

The level of control the Chinese leaders have over a billion people staggers me, and that no one seems to pay a lot of attention to this danger... crazy. This is a country that does not allow YouTube.

Agreed

[Skybird]

So far I take it for granted that the Donald will strike back in 2024 (if he lives that long, he is old and his health is said to be not the best). That will be fun to see the Chinese reaction. And the Donald's China policy. And hios Russia policy. Andhis EU policy. All his polcies.



Guy, start hoarding popcorn! Great entertainment ahead!

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The level of control the Chinese leaders have over a billion people staggers me, and that no one seems to pay a lot of attention to this danger... crazy. This is a country that does not allow YouTube.

It's only possible now because of modern technology. We are entering an era where anything but a completely spontaneous revolution would be impossible to pull off without big brother knowing every step the plotters made, where they went, who they met with, all their correspondence, maybe even have audio and video of face to face meetings. Orwellian nightmares are becoming reality before our very eyes, brought to you by Big Tech.

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

Yes, that seems to be the plan. And don't forget the vaccine. Not only are we unnecessarily preoccupied with it, we have a "President" and an administration that want to force the population to get it - even though we don't fully understand the ramifications. And if you speak out about it, you're likely to have your social media accounts locked and your social credit score will ... wait a minute. What country is this, again?

Then there's the "border crisis", which the current administration seems to think will just solve itself if they just completely ignore it. Meanwhile, airheads like AOC want to fast-track these random, unknown people to citizenship. My step-father came here legally years ago and is still trying to work through the system to get his citizenship.

But hey, at least we got the orange man out of office and now we don't have to listen to his mean tweets. Instead we can listen to grandpa ramble on about ... whatever the hell he's trying to say.

Christ, we're ****ed.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The Chinese govt. has an iron grip on the rights of its people. Can you imagine posting something against an official and then the govt censors sweep the internet and take control of your social media accounts, posing as you?

https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ontent=feature



It's crazy how the rest of the world goes along with this. The Wuhan virus, breaching the Hong Kong agreements, soon it will be Taiwan. Meanwhile, the United States handed over out manufacturing base to China. Hollywood and the NBA are gladly advocating for the Chinese Nazis. And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

It's enough to make yer I's !! The percieved shame of the Versailles Treaty and the subsequent Nazi rise to global domination(fulfilling Kaiser Wilhelm's failed "German place in the sun")in the '1930s are similar to China's "century of shame" to Western dominance; and its Communist rise in the 20th century, commencing with the Boxer Rebellion. China's Belt and Road global domination incl. a potential naval base in West Coast Guinea Africa(we kept them outta Greenland...for the moment) on its inexorable 50-year-plan make me glad I'm 70...and unlikely to see the sino-dismal outcome. The recent policy change from 1 child per family to the official 3 per family in a nation of 1.4 billion people only gives credence to my concerns. As the Russians say :"In war, numbers have a cachet of their own". The West does not have the numbers...nor the will.

[August]

The ultra left being compared to the ultra right? I would think a closer comparison would be with the other great tyrannical communist regime from history, the USSR.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Nah that wouldn't work since the Communist China didn't think the USSR was communist enough and therefore weren't real communists, it was called the Sino-Soviet Split.