China's navy battle force has more than tripled in size in only two decades

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/05/c...dst/index.html

China's shipbuilding numbers are staggering -- dwarfing even the US efforts of World War II. China built more ships in one year of peace time (2019) than the US did in four of war (1941-1945).

A - rapidly decreasing - technological advantage gets you so far only, and not further. From one point on, superior numbers and the capability to compensate losseds by factors quick than the enemy, simply overwhelm said enemy by force of much bigger numbers.



In the 70s and 80s many said NATO would have gained air superiority due to tehcnically advanced ifhgers, compensating for superior numbers of the Warsaw Pact. But there are quite some veteran pilots from that age that both say the technological upper hand of NATO was being overestiumated, and that it thus would not have been sufficient to compensate for the numerical superiority of the WP.



And different to the Warsaw Pact back then, China is of equal technological capability, and superior economic power, and more favourable logistics lines.



It does not look good. The outlook looks even worse.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/05/c...dst/index.html





A - rapidly decreasing - technological advantage gets you so far only, and not further. From one point on, superior numbers and the capability to compensate losseds by factors quick than the enemy, simply overwhelm said enemy by force of much bigger numbers.



In the 70s and 80s many said NATO would have gained air superiority due to tehcnically advanced ifhgers, compensating for superior numbers of the Warsaw Pact. But there are quite some veteran pilots from that age that both say the technological upper hand of NATO was being overestiumated, and that it thus would not have been sufficient to compensate for the numerical superiority of the WP.



And different to the Warsaw Pact back then, China is of equal technological capability, and superior economic power, and more favourable logistics lines.



It does not look good. The outlook looks even worse.

The CCP are very good at stealing and copying technology. *Every* chinese person in a foreign country should be considered a spy - whether a willing or unwilling participant.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

The CCP are very good at stealing and copying technology. *Every* chinese person in a foreign country should be considered a spy - whether a willing or unwilling participant.

Let's just push attacks on people of Asian Descent shall We?

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Let's just push attacks on people of Asian Descent shall We?

The CCP ensures that all Chinese students are sending back anything useful during their studies.

They entice academics and those working in industry to steal research and products.

They lean on immigrants who still have family in China.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-invol...-theft-1255908

No one is calling for attacks on asian people. People however, do need to be vigilant that their valuable IP isn't going to wind up being exploited.

[Texas Red]

There is a cyber war being waged against the US by China and other countries, and the US-instigated this by hacking the Iranian nuclear program back in 2008 or something. The US also fights back with computers, this is a war that hasn't erupted into military war yet. And the fact that China is building up their ships and military seems to say to me that they are preparing for war.

[Kapitan]

I think we are missing one huge point and a few small ones here and it is something both the USN and PLAN are very aware of.

While China in terms of hull count does have the largest navy in the world it does not have the largest logistics network.
Ultimately NATO has the largest logistics network spanning the entire globe with members and associate members (Sweden Singapore India Malaysia Thailand Japan South Korea Australia and New Zealand to name a few)

With the current incapability to keep multiple battlegroups supplied on an indefinite time frame away from friendly ports this means the only thing china has actually built is a blue water capable navy that's very strong regionally (Similar to Russia), Basically what we are looking at is a sea denial force.

The other pressing matter is the USN even with having less numbers in its fleet can overwhelm the Chinese in the use of battlefield missiles, the USN is capable of sending more ordinance down range than china, the gap is substantial.

The type 055 DDG for example fields a 112 cell VLS in theory at least that's 112 missiles it can use offensively (you never would because you need some for defense).
16 are planned and 2 are built and either active or on sea trials, this doesn't hold a candle to what the USN has.

The Ticonderoga class which would be considered its peer competitor, has 122 VLS cells and theres currently 22 of them active (yes i know a few will retire soon) but even if you cut the fleet down to 16 to match the type 055 plan you still have 160 more missiles than your opponent.

The current 67 active Arleigh burkes also field 90 VLS cells (Batch 1) and 96 VLS cells for newer Batches, China is reliant on its corvettes and frigates to bridge that gap.

Currently the ratio of missiles to field in battle between the USN and PLAN is a factor of 2 to 1 in the USN favor.
Oh and we haven't even got to the carriers or submarines !

A friend of mine Commander Keith Patton wrote this article it may interest some of you.

http://cimsec.org/battle-force-missi...rOUeKYxpTDXtfc

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/a...hnk/index.html
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