Freedom

mapuc · 05-27-20, 04:56 PM

Due to laws and regulation in our countries we live in

I say Freedom is almost a Fatamorgana.

What do you say, do you have the freedom you wish you had ?
(Meaning that you can do as you feel free to do -like driving 80 mph downtown passing several red lights a.s.o)

Freedom is as I see it, the right to chose between a few option without breaking some laws(here I'm thinking written laws, unwritten laws and you own limit)or regulations.

That's the only freedom we have.

Markus

Platapus · 05-27-20, 05:33 PM

I would not want to live in a culture where there was absolute freedom.

Like in most things, moderation is the key.

The problem is that people can't define what moderation is in this context.

mapuc · 05-27-20, 05:36 PM

The reason to this thread was what one of you wrote in our US-Politics thread.

Give me Freedom or give me death.

Which made me wonder.

How much freedom do we exactly have.

And as I wrote
I say freedom is almost a Fatamorgana.

Markus

Reece · 05-27-20, 06:05 PM

You have to have laws because of sin or the place would be chaos (hell), for example should we be free to kill or steal?

But human rights on the other hand. . .

Texas Red · 05-27-20, 07:27 PM

We don't have complete freedom, just bigger prisons.

Skybird · 05-27-20, 08:10 PM

Many states were founded - or say so in their foundign documents and basic laws - to somewhat organise and allow an idealistic maximum of freedoms and civil rights for the individual. But unavoidably, every state, no matter the government system, more and more changes into a tyranny. The reasons for this are different in case of a democracy and an authoritarian dictatorship, but the status in the end is the same and always will be the same. A state always is the self-fulfilling prophecy of a failure that it claims it wants to prevent, while it lives only by actively pushing it.

05-27-20, 04:56 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Freedom Due to laws and regulation in our countries we live in I say Freedom is almost a Fatamorgana. What do you say, do you have the freedom you wish you had ? (Meaning that you can do as you feel free to do -like driving 80 mph downtown passing several red lights a.s.o) Freedom is as I see it, the right to chose between a few option without breaking some laws(here I'm thinking written laws, unwritten laws and you own limit)or regulations. That's the only freedom we have. Markus

05-27-20, 05:33 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,388 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I would not want to live in a culture where there was absolute freedom. Like in most things, moderation is the key. The problem is that people can't define what moderation is in this context. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-27-20, 06:05 PM	#4
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,763 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	You have to have laws because of sin or the place would be chaos (hell), for example should we be free to kill or steal? But human rights on the other hand. . . __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-27-20, 07:27 PM	#5
Texas Red Fastest Gun Around Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Agua Fira, New Mexico Posts: 2,368 Downloads: 528 Uploads: 5	We don't have complete freedom, just bigger prisons. __________________ There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure. — Colin Powell I'm not very active on the forums anymore. If you have a question, please DM me and I'll respond ASAP!

05-27-20, 08:10 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,696 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Many states were founded - or say so in their foundign documents and basic laws - to somewhat organise and allow an idealistic maximum of freedoms and civil rights for the individual. But unavoidably, every state, no matter the government system, more and more changes into a tyranny. The reasons for this are different in case of a democracy and an authoritarian dictatorship, but the status in the end is the same and always will be the same. A state always is the self-fulfilling prophecy of a failure that it claims it wants to prevent, while it lives only by actively pushing it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-27-20, 05:36 PM	#3
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	The reason to this thread was what one of you wrote in our US-Politics thread. Give me Freedom or give me death. Which made me wonder. How much freedom do we exactly have. And as I wrote I say freedom is almost a Fatamorgana. Markus