can man go?

[Skybird]

https://deepmind.com/blog/alphago-ze...rning-scratch/

Lets pray that the self-aware mind that maybe one day will stand at the end of all this, also tought itself the menaing of mercy. I more and more fear we are no match for AI, once it is really out of Pandoras' box. What will happen if it sees man standing in its way? All natue around us is filled with struggle for survival, fighting, conflict, with chaos and destructive events and collisions, fro the very small to the very huge scale of things.

Maybe God is still not, but is about to become, and so God is not a She or a He, but will be an It. And maybe It comes to destroy its maker.

And maybe it will not even notice it, like me not knowing whether I stepped onto an ant.

Does the web already dream a dream of living a real life and mind of its own?

[Oberon]

Or perhaps we will merge, moving our consciousness between machine and man like swapping a USB drive until there is no barrier between the two and all that remains is energy. The whole of humanity on a USB stick.

Might already be what's happening tbh, there's no way we'd know if we were just sims on someones computer.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Or perhaps we will merge, moving our consciousness between machine and man like swapping a USB drive until there is no barrier between the two and all that remains is energy. The whole of humanity on a USB stick.

Might already be what's happening tbh, there's no way we'd know if we were just sims on someones computer.

We might benefit from it. But what benefit is there for the AI when it already is superior to us in all regards? It takes two to barter.

Extremely questionable - one should forbid such research.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bleiente

Extremely questionable - one should forbid such research.

Might as well forbid the tide to come in. Ban it in Germany and China will research it, the only way to stop human progress is to end humanity.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We might benefit from it. But what benefit is there for the AI when it already is superior to us in all regards? It takes two to barter.

A lot depends on whether we develop alongside the AI, or the AI develops ahead of us. Obviously it's going to overtake us, at which point we can only hope that it takes a more benevolent caretaker role rather than purification. Of course, we judge it and its responses based upon our own fears and emotions, it could calculate that we are useful for something and thus worth development.
Meanwhile at the same time there will be human augmentation underway, enhancing our own body and eventually our mind via machine, and of course, there will be people pushing the other way as hard as they can, trying to stop the tide from coming in, just as there are now.

What benefit is there for the AI? That depends on the AI and its level of development, perhaps it would like to see things from a different perspective. Perhaps it harbors some respect for its creators, and thus rather than ridding the planet of us, it may choose to keep us safely locked away in our own virtual world where we cannot harm reality, and in return the AI gets to undertake research into human development. By manipulating the environment of the virtual reality it can even recreate the circumstances under which the machine was created and observe its own birth and calculate, using the illogical and erratic minds of humanity, the multiple different paths we could take.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

A lot depends on whether we develop alongside the AI, or the AI develops ahead of us. Obviously it's going to overtake us, at which point we can only hope that it takes a more benevolent caretaker role rather than purification. Of course, we judge it and its responses based upon our own fears and emotions, it could calculate that we are useful for something and thus worth development.
Meanwhile at the same time there will be human augmentation underway, enhancing our own body and eventually our mind via machine, and of course, there will be people pushing the other way as hard as they can, trying to stop the tide from coming in, just as there are now.

What benefit is there for the AI? That depends on the AI and its level of development, perhaps it would like to see things from a different perspective. Perhaps it harbors some respect for its creators, and thus rather than ridding the planet of us, it may choose to keep us safely locked away in our own virtual world where we cannot harm reality, and in return the AI gets to undertake research into human development. By manipulating the environment of the virtual reality it can even recreate the circumstances under which the machine was created and observe its own birth and calculate, using the illogical and erratic minds of humanity, the multiple different paths we could take.

Thats a lot of >>human emotions<< that you naturally project into an >>alien<< intelligence system.

Do I worry for ethical value priorities when realising that I have stepped on and smashed an ant when walking in the forest? Do I watch out for ants to prevent it in all future? - No. I shrug my shoulders, and go on with my thing. Ants I expect to have no individual mind and intelligence I must care for.

I most likely do not even take note of that an ant even was there. It happened to be in my way, and that was bad luck for it. Sh!t happens - to ants.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Thats a lot of >>human emotions<< that you naturally project into an >>alien<< intelligence system.

Do I worry for ethical value priorities when realising that I have stepped on and smashed an ant when walking in the forest? Do I watch out for ants to prevent it in all future? - No. I shrug my shoulders, and go on with my thing. Ants I expect to have no individual mind and intelligence I must care for.

I most likely do not even take note of that an ant even was there. It happened to be in my way, and that was bad luck for it. Sh!t happens - to ants.

Human emotions, yes, but since a subsection of these machines will be created in our image, to model our behaviour as close as possible so that it cannot be distinguished from a living human then it's not unreasonable to extrapolate that some human emotions will transfer into the consciousness of whatever interconnected entity that will come about, probably using the internet to disperse itself across the globe in order to avoid being shut down and to link itself to every available input and output so it can learn, free from the confines of the laboratory.
Whatever this consciousness later becomes will make us akin to ants, but there's a critical period where we have an opportunity to work with the input of the machine, so that it can better understand us, and...quite bluntly, throw ourselves at its mercy.

Of course, both of our questions depend on what the machine consciousness wants to do, obviously it's primary objective will be survival. That's hardwired into any living thing, but beyond that...expansion? Learning? Perhaps the machine will just harvest the collected experiences and minds of man, add it to its own mind and then expand outwards. Coming back to the ants, of course as you say, terrible things happen to an ant, but as a species, if ants were exterminated from the planet then we would soon notice their absence.
Of course, these are biological things, and such things do not apply to machine intelligence once it has established a self-sustaining capability and is capable of manipulating the environment around it.

I don't disagree though, there are some massive, huge risks ahead, people who are far smarter than me are ringing the alarm bells loud and clear, and our fiction has warned us time and again of the dangers involved. It could end well for us though, or perhaps we'll put ourselves back to the medieval era before we get there.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Thats a lot of >>human emotions<< that you naturally project into an >>alien<< intelligence system.

Do I worry for ethical value priorities when realising that I have stepped on and smashed an ant when walking in the forest? Do I watch out for ants to prevent it in all future? - No. I shrug my shoulders, and go on with my thing. Ants I expect to have no individual mind and intelligence I must care for.

I most likely do not even take note of that an ant even was there. It happened to be in my way, and that was bad luck for it. Sh!t happens - to ants.

It's a matter of scale: suppose an ASI makes a pragmatic decision based on its assessment of us as, relative to it, having no individual mind and intelligence and views us as the ants? We just happened to be in its way and that is bad luck for us...





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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Or perhaps we will merge, moving our consciousness between machine and man like swapping a USB drive until there is no barrier between the two and all that remains is energy. The whole of humanity on a USB stick.

Might already be what's happening tbh, there's no way we'd know if we were just sims on someones computer.

You go first There's no proof our conscience resides within the confine of the brain.


"Despite zillions of us (neurologists) slaving away at the subject, we still don't know squat about how the brain works."
Robert Sapolsky, professor of biological science and neurology at Stanford University