60's sub tactics

Monkie · 06-04-17, 05:15 PM

I am fairly familiar with the tactics used by submarines from the 1980's till now but I will admit I am pretty much in the dark in regards to tactics in the 1960's.

With CW now having a 60's scenarios what exactly would a Skipjack skipper have weapon wise? Would they launch on sonar bearings with homing torpedoes or was it more of a WW2 affair needing use of the periscope to feed the TDC and using a spread?

I'm very excited to see CW letting us have a look at a mostly overlooked time period in sub games.

Julhelm · 06-04-17, 05:37 PM

You get Mark 16 torpedoes for surface targets and Mark 37 for ASW work. Pretty much any nuclear sub in the game can readily outrun the 37's so tactics must be adapted accordingly.

ikalugin · 06-04-17, 07:28 PM

The mainstream answer would be that in the 60s you get the sensor and stealth advantage, but your weapons make it harder for you to exploit those.

By the 80s the sensor and stealth advantage wanes but you get arguably overall better ASW weapons set up.

Julhelm · 06-04-17, 07:33 PM

Well the opposition gets much better weapons in the 80's too which kind of evens it out.

ikalugin · 06-04-17, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Julhelm

Well the opposition gets much better weapons in the 80's too which kind of evens it out.

I guess it is a matter of perspective. In my opinion western powers (ie US with mk48) got better all round torpedoes.

I am not a big fan of how UST project ended (it ended in adoption of USET80).

Monkie · 06-04-17, 09:48 PM

Ok so the Mk16's have no self guidance other than a gyroscope but according to wiki:

"The Mod 0 warhead contained 1260 lb (572 kg) of TPX explosive and was the most powerful conventional submarine torpedo warhead ever used by any Navy"

So, wow that will make for some interesting times.

The Mk37 is interesting as well but seems to be slow but self guiding with a smaller 330lbs warhead.

Going to make us change up tactics considerably between platforms and eras, fantastic!

Julhelm · 06-05-17, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I guess it is a matter of perspective. In my opinion western powers (ie US with mk48) got better all round torpedoes.

I am not a big fan of how UST project ended (it ended in adoption of USET80).

I was referring to how in the 80's you get stand-off ASW missiles whereas in the 60's ASW weapons are limited to RBU's and torpedoes.

What was the problem with USET-80 in your opinion?

06-04-17, 05:15 PM	#1
Monkie Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 19 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	60's sub tactics I am fairly familiar with the tactics used by submarines from the 1980's till now but I will admit I am pretty much in the dark in regards to tactics in the 1960's. With CW now having a 60's scenarios what exactly would a Skipjack skipper have weapon wise? Would they launch on sonar bearings with homing torpedoes or was it more of a WW2 affair needing use of the periscope to feed the TDC and using a spread? I'm very excited to see CW letting us have a look at a mostly overlooked time period in sub games.

06-04-17, 07:28 PM	#3
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	The mainstream answer would be that in the 60s you get the sensor and stealth advantage, but your weapons make it harder for you to exploit those. By the 80s the sensor and stealth advantage wanes but you get arguably overall better ASW weapons set up. __________________ Grumpy as always.

06-04-17, 05:37 PM	#2
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	You get Mark 16 torpedoes for surface targets and Mark 37 for ASW work. Pretty much any nuclear sub in the game can readily outrun the 37's so tactics must be adapted accordingly.

06-04-17, 07:33 PM	#4
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Well the opposition gets much better weapons in the 80's too which kind of evens it out.

06-04-17, 09:48 PM	#6
Monkie Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 19 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Ok so the Mk16's have no self guidance other than a gyroscope but according to wiki: "The Mod 0 warhead contained 1260 lb (572 kg) of TPX explosive and was the most powerful conventional submarine torpedo warhead ever used by any Navy" So, wow that will make for some interesting times. The Mk37 is interesting as well but seems to be slow but self guiding with a smaller 330lbs warhead. Going to make us change up tactics considerably between platforms and eras, fantastic!