EU was Hitler's idea

[mapuc]

(To the moderators-if this should have been posted in another thread, please be free to move it to the right thread and close this one.)

What do you say about this ?

Are the authors wrong claiming these things or does the authors have more or less right in their statements

'The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich - How Hitler Won The Second World War' argues the single currency, the free market and even the phrase "United States of Europe" were all dreamt up by high ranking Nazis, including the Fuhrer himself.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...laims-new-book

1. If you dislike/hate EU I guess you would take this to be true
2. If you like/love EU I guess you would take this as an insult on EU and those who works there

Markus

[Skybird]

And the secret Nazi moon base? They did not mention the secret Nazi moon base?

I certainly "dislike/hate the EU". But I am nevertheless not tempted to take this serious.

There have been so many Italian, Polish, Greek claims that Germany is the fourth Reich and Merkel carries a Hitler mustache, in the wake of the fincial meltdown 2008 and the credit crisis in Greece and during demands that Germany should paypaypay. Did you believe that, too?

[mapuc]

I should have mentioned in my first thread, ´cause I'm like you, I dislike EU and I also have problems believing these "facts"

Markus

[Catfish]

I do not dislike the Eu maybe simply because i obviously do not know the facts about why it is the second bad thing after the devil.

But I have to agree, it was all Hitler's idea.
Only that the "EU" would have been called "German Reich", and would have had its eastern borders somewhere near Stalingrad. Had England not intervened only against Germany after the soviet-german attack against Poland, Germany probably would neither have attacked France, nor Norway, nor Greece. The plan was to go for Russia right from the start.
Astonishingly enough, when Russia attacked Bulgaria, despite England's treaty with Bulgaria there was no declaration of war towards Russia. You will not find that in Wikipedia.

And then, after the war, it was Churchill's idea of a unified Europe, he said he himself could imagine to become the chancellor of Europe.
http://www.churchill-society-london..../astonish.html
"The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important. Small nations will count as much as large ones and gain their honour by their contribution to the common cause."
The biggest problem for England today and for Farage's hate seems to be that England is not leading the coming United States of Europe.

Somehow it all did not work out, but because or neither of that happening, the Eu must now be destroyed. Ask Trump, or Putin.
Then, this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37867591
And then ask yourself who would most benefit from a EU's downfall, apart from the US/Trump's explicit plan to do just this

[ValoWay]

I don't think the nazis were ever interested in 'friendship' with other nations.. They made allies out of necessity, not because of an interest in peaceful coexistence..

I also think that the brits or the french are smart enough to sniff out any german schemes.. They probably would have noticed by now if there was anything within the EU which would secretly favor germany..

I generally think that the EU is a good idea. To work together to achieve a common goal becomes more and more important the farther we move forward into the future. Hiding behind your dandy little border barriers will only slow progress down like a class of schoolchildren which all work on the same test individually instead of together..

I think dismantling the EU would do more harm than good but there also has to be the will to improve. They have to seriously think about the reasons why britain left, why citizens are upset.. If they remain, however, stagnant instead I fear that we won't see anything even close to an EU in our lifetime ever again.

I believe the farther we go into the future the more difficult become humanity's problems. Britain alone won't be able to stop global warming, fixing poverty, cure cancer or finance a space program, for example. Such challenges are easier to overcome when we work together instead of every man for himself..

Originally Posted by BL!TZKR!EG

Have you actually ever bothered to listen to any of Hitler's speeches, for example those about Czechoslovakia?

No? Cause your observations would be entirely different then.

I see your point, but using a speech of Hitler is hardly some sort of proof, as he said many things - and then did the opposite, for example him assuring Germany's neighboring countries neutrality/that they will not be attacked.
Weeeell... about that...

[Sophia]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I should have mentioned in my first thread, ´cause I'm like you, I dislike EU and I also have problems believing these "facts"

Markus

Hahaha this sought of clarifies a lot. Hahaha very brilliantly put!

[STEED]

Not this old nut shell again.

[August]

I thought Napoleon was the first to think of creating a EU, or perhaps it was Charlemagne or Caesar?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And the secret Nazi moon base? They did not mention the secret Nazi moon base?

I certainly "dislike/hate the EU". But I am nevertheless not tempted to take this serious.

There have been so many Italian, Polish, Greek claims that Germany is the fourth Reich and Merkel carries a Hitler mustache, in the wake of the fincial meltdown 2008 and the credit crisis in Greece and during demands that Germany should paypaypay. Did you believe that, too?

True that

[ikalugin]

EU is the yet unborn 4th Reich, not Germany within the EU. If you are very negative about EU and do not like the 4th Reich analogy you can try EUSSR, in which case Germany is the equivalent to the RSFSR (ie biggest member and one of the core donors).

Originally Posted by ikalugin

EU is the yet unborn 4th Reich, not Germany within the EU. If you are very negative about EU and do not like the 4th Reich analogy you can try EUSSR, in which case Germany is the equivalent to the RSFSR (ie biggest member and one of the core donors).

What?

Explain to me what the EU has in common with the third Reich?
A fourth Reich would mean a reincarnation of the national-socialistic third Reich. Do we really need to even start trying to find similarities, or can we agree right away that calling Europe the fourth Reich 'unborn' is simply wrong?
You can say about European power-plays what you want, but implying it is, or will be, even can be something like a "Reich" (in the national-socialistic and/or imperialistic sense) is flat out off-target and sounds like a typical RT headline to me.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

What?

Explain to me what the EU has in common with the third Reich?
A fourth Reich would mean a reincarnation of the national-socialistic third Reich. Do we really need to even start trying to find similarities, or can we agree right away that calling Europe the fourth Reich 'unborn' is simply wrong?
You can say about European power-plays what you want, but implying it is, or will be, even can be something like a "Reich" (in the national-socialistic and/or imperialistic sense) is flat out off-target and sounds like a typical RT headline to me.

You misunderstood. As I would say again - 4th Reich to the 3rd Reich is what 3rd Reich was to the 2nd Reich and as such is a new imperial regime, not a new 3rd Reich because if it was, why would we call it the 4th?

My core criticism of the current EU is it's undemocratic nature where top officials are not accountable to the people.

The reason why I use the term "unborn" is because EU is not a consolidated centralised undemocratic empire at this moment.

The reason why I mention it at all is to state that 4th Reich (if it does exist in any form) is not a German state but a superstate containing a German state meaning that it may work against German interests.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

You misunderstood. As I would say again - 4th Reich to the 3rd Reich is what 3rd Reich was to the 2nd Reich and as such is a new imperial regime, not a new 3rd Reich because if it was, why would we call it the 4th?

Definitions matter.
The "Reich" is a german description of one country, and of one nation. So the term "Reich" cannot apply to Europe. There was the "Roman Reich of German Nation" back then, but this was an exception in more than one ways.
The "second" Reich was monarchistic, a "real" Reich or "Empire" if you so want, if a small one.
The "third" Reich was merely an invention or fantasy of Hitler, to get the old monarchistic military and Navy on his side. It had nothing to to with the initial coined description of a monarchistic Empire called "Reich". Hitler had no entitlement to call himself Caesar, Kaiser, or whatever.

My core criticism of the current EU is it's undemocratic nature where top officials are not accountable to the people.

The "current EU" is not undemocratic, i really do not know why so much people claim it were! Just because most are too lazy to just read about it does not make it undemocratic (too boring i guess, much more fun to just claim nonsense and troll).

http://www.democraticaudit.com/2016/...d-bureaucrats/

http://www.businessinsider.de/is-the...16-3?r=UK&IR=T

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-reality-check

and so on, endlessly! You will probably not find this in Breitbart, Fox News or RT, for obvious reasons.

For all this hubbub about the EU commission (!!!), in this case it is not directly elected by the people, but is a representational democracy, just like we have it everywhere. And it can only propose, it has not much power, because all their proposals have to be agreed upon by all other national boards.
There are not any unelected bureaucrats in charge in the EU.

The reason why I use the term "unborn" is because EU is not a consolidated centralised undemocratic empire at this moment.

Now that'a twist, suddenly it's democratic again, but... on a way to an empire or even a dictatorship? Where do you see that? Because Juncker is an unsympathetic donkeyhole does not make him a dictator. He is just unpopular. But a lot of political decisions are. Especially when someone feels disadvantaged, for whatever (nationalistic? chauvinistic? xenophobic?) reason. But just because Mr Farage or LePen or Wiilders cry wolf does not mean it really is so. They are populists, their "job" is desinformation and agitation for their undemocratic goals.

The reason why I mention it at all is to state that 4th Reich (if it does exist in any form) is not a German state but a superstate containing a German state meaning that it may work against German interests.

Frankly, i see no reason of yours why to post such !"§$ ... if it were so Germany would be the first to try change that. But it indeed profits a lot from the single market and international say of almost 30 countries with one voice towards the world, just like all other members of the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/bl...over-last-year
All are shouting how much they have to give to the EU without ever mentioning the net gross advantage they have, from money coming back with interest to EU-sponsored national projects of all kinds like infrastructure, science (historical research and archeology being a major part), business, trade support across borders, a unified packaging system for effective transport at least within Europe, and so on. A lot of this stuff cannot be planned, be financed or enforced by one nation alone.

And (it is a big and) directly coming from the experiences of WW2, the distribution of help and money to parts of the EU that need it, is much more efficient, rightly and fair than if one national government did that alone. From wages, to social institutions, to health care. The people in England will experience that, but also those in Scotland and Ireland.

There are a lot of romantic ideas in England of a lost Empire that e.g. Farage (ab)uses, and unfortunately despite all the experience, information and education he has a lot of people hooked.

All this does not make the EU the fourth Reich

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

you can try EUSSR,

In fact I have compared the patterns and structures of power aggrevation and institutional power projection compared to the USSR repeatedly over the years, thats why I have spoken of the EUSSR repeatedly over the years. Tha parallels of said structures, are stunning, and scaring.

The function of "empire" dictates the format, i suppose.
Same desired functions lead to same formats. Including the sideeffects like corruption, nepotism, oligarchy, etc.