Reckless Congress declares war on Russia

Skybird · 12-09-14, 07:47 PM

This resolution seems to have passed unnoticed...?!

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...war-on-russia/

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These are the kinds of resolutions I have always watched closely in Congress, as what are billed as “harmless” statements of opinion often lead to sanctions and war. I remember in 1998 arguing strongly against the Iraq Liberation Act because, as I said at the time, I knew it would lead to war. I did not oppose the Act because I was an admirer of Saddam Hussein – just as now I am not an admirer of Putin or any foreign political leader – but rather because I knew then that another war against Iraq would not solve the problems and would probably make things worse. We all know what happened next.

It seems some idiots there are who cannot reach war with Russia too early. Cowboys, drunk of themselves.

Oberon · 12-09-14, 09:12 PM

It's been mentioned in the Ferguson thread...which is exactly where you'd look for discussion on such a thing...

Anyway, it's no surprise that this has come about, I doubt it'll lead to war with Russia though, no more than arming the Mujahideen lead to war with the Soviet Union. There might be clashes between proxy troops, but not actual US vs Russia fire, both sides have too much to lose to let it get that far.

Rockstar · 12-09-14, 09:57 PM

In his 1935 book, War Is a Racket, Butler presented an exposé and trenchant condemnation of the profit motive behind warfare. His views on the subject are well summarized in the following passage from a 1935 issue of "the non-Marxist, socialist" magazine, Common Sense – one of Butler's most widely quoted statements:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

magicstix · 12-09-14, 11:13 PM

Considering Putin has already threatened nuclear war, I'd say a little "harsh language" from a Congress that never does anything isn't a big deal...

ikalugin · 12-10-14, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by magicstix

Considering Putin has already threatened nuclear war, I'd say a little "harsh language" from a Congress that never does anything isn't a big deal...

I could be wrong, but from what I remember such resolutions lead to armed intervention.

Jimbuna · 12-10-14, 05:22 AM

Politicians, don't we all just love em.

Kaptlt.Endrass · 12-10-14, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by magicstix

Considering Putin has already threatened nuclear war, I'd say a little "harsh language" from a Congress that never does anything isn't a big deal...

Threatened, yes. But actually doing it? Unlikely. Despite what many of my fellow Americans think, Putin is smart. The Russians know that they'd lose as much as we would, even if they won't admit it. The retaliation from even a single nuclear launch, from either side, would be devastating. And remember the Cuban Missle Crisis. The two were literally playing a game of chicken towards the end that would have ended with cockroaches the dominant species (and perhaps the Swiss).

At the worst level, a conventional war, possibly WWIII, will break out, with either\all sides refusing to launch, and the result being the true end of the Cold War and the establishment of THE superpower.

For now, lets all throw threats, point WMDs, and flex the martial muscles at each other.

vanjast · 12-11-14, 12:47 AM

Hey.. USA.. don't start another war you'll lose...again.
Hell's you cannot whip a bunch of non-techno-savvy sand crawlers with towels on their heads, now you want to pick a fight with better technology

If you look at recent history, the USSR also has a history of getting their butts whipped. Just let them continue.. it'll blow up in their faces... again.

12-10-14, 05:22 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,844 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Politicians, don't we all just love em. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-14, 09:12 PM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's been mentioned in the Ferguson thread...which is exactly where you'd look for discussion on such a thing... Anyway, it's no surprise that this has come about, I doubt it'll lead to war with Russia though, no more than arming the Mujahideen lead to war with the Soviet Union. There might be clashes between proxy troops, but not actual US vs Russia fire, both sides have too much to lose to let it get that far.

12-09-14, 09:57 PM	#3
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In his 1935 book, War Is a Racket, Butler presented an exposé and trenchant condemnation of the profit motive behind warfare. His views on the subject are well summarized in the following passage from a 1935 issue of "the non-Marxist, socialist" magazine, Common Sense – one of Butler's most widely quoted statements: "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

12-09-14, 11:13 PM	#4
magicstix Captain Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Nuclear submarine under the North Pole Posts: 482 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Considering Putin has already threatened nuclear war, I'd say a little "harsh language" from a Congress that never does anything isn't a big deal...

12-11-14, 12:47 AM	#8
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Hey.. USA.. don't start another war you'll lose...again. Hell's you cannot whip a bunch of non-techno-savvy sand crawlers with towels on their heads, now you want to pick a fight with better technology If you look at recent history, the USSR also has a history of getting their butts whipped. Just let them continue.. it'll blow up in their faces... again.