New U.S. Stealth Jet Can’t Hide From Russian Radar

Skybird · 04-29-14, 08:44 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ian-radar.html

If the man is right, then

Just imagine how many chocolade bars could have been bought with the money sunk in this project.

Flamebatter90 · 04-29-14, 08:47 AM

Is there anything the F-35 can do?

Dread Knot · 04-29-14, 09:01 AM

The only thing this boondoogle has accomplished is that it has somewhat masked the arrival of it's successor technology. Drones and UAVs will out perform, out last and have beat the F35 to operational status. One reason we are still pushing manned fighters is that pilots run the air corps, pilots like to fly and pilots like to be heroes. Imaging yourself sitting in a bar in Omaha talking to a pimple faced computer geek kid in a uniform telling you about the hairiest missions he "flew" from his console.

Same thing in space exploration. Manned space missions get all the attention and most of the money. But's it's the satellites , probes and rovers doing all the work.

em2nought · 05-02-14, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot

The only thing this boondoogle has accomplished is that it has somewhat masked the arrival of it's successor technology. Drones and UAVs will out perform, out last and have beat the F35 to operational status. One reason we are still pushing manned fighters is that pilots run the air corps, pilots like to fly and pilots like to be heroes. Imaging yourself sitting in a bar in Omaha talking to a pimple faced computer geek kid in a uniform telling you about the hairiest missions he "flew" from his console.

Not too mention that it's probably harder to get a manned aircraft to target their own countrymen up close and personal compared to a geek at a console.

Skybird · 04-29-14, 09:04 AM

It's also nice that at the end the author mentions the risk of having all armed forces basing on just one or two genuine platform design. I would always vote for having a greater diversity in altenrttive platforms in service, so that if one gets compromised by an enemy, not all forces are automatically effected. That starts with sophisticated electronics and carrier platforms, and ends on even a low level like infantry firearms.

On the F35 I always thought that for what it can do it simply is hopelessly, HOPELESSLY, overpriced. Same is true for the F22. Even if technological superiority were given, it can compensate numerical inferiority only to a certain degree, and not beyond. An d a single loss of such an expensive hightech toy scores more hurting than two or three losses of a platform in a fleet where there are more units available.

But probably the whole defence industry in the US is a profit and job generating measurement anyway. The dominant weapons of the coming next major war, are cyberweapons.

And that war has gone hot already.

MH · 04-29-14, 09:14 AM

If the man is right… lol
Also… there is no lack of diversity so far.
Besides that .. all the knowledge base built upon f 35 will most likely come handy in the future.

Jimbuna · 04-29-14, 09:38 AM

If true then the blame will be on the Pentagon who laid down the build requirements.

HunterICX · 04-29-14, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamebatter90

Is there anything the F-35 can do?

Increase your national debt.

AVGWarhawk · 04-29-14, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamebatter90

Is there anything the F-35 can do?

Yes. Can be purchased by Australia.

Admiral Halsey · 04-29-14, 11:06 AM

Of course it can't.

STEED · 04-29-14, 11:10 AM

For the arms industries that is great news as they can now beg for more money for long term research to find out why it is a flop.

The gravy train.

mapuc · 04-29-14, 11:42 AM

I do hope that this information is given to the Danish Minister of Defence
'cause if this is true, it's a huge.(forgot the word)for F-35

Could be false alarm, but I don't know.

Markus

Platapus · 05-01-14, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamebatter90

Is there anything the F-35 can do?

1. Cost a lot of money
2. Bring in businesses to specific congressional districts
3. Help congresscritters get re-elected
4. Feed the hungry maw of the MIC

From a congressional standpoint, a success story.

It's only money.

Wolferz · 05-01-14, 05:20 PM

It's amazing isn't it? All that money wasted to make a plane's radar cross section the size of a wee little bird, when all you need is a radar homing missile to knock out the radar.

TarJak · 04-29-14, 04:24 PM

The real problem with the F35 is the reason it was designed and built the way it is appears to have been forgotten.

04-29-14, 08:44 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,637 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	New U.S. Stealth Jet Can’t Hide From Russian Radar http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ian-radar.html If the man is right, then Just imagine how many chocolade bars could have been bought with the money sunk in this project. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-29-14, 09:04 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,637 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's also nice that at the end the author mentions the risk of having all armed forces basing on just one or two genuine platform design. I would always vote for having a greater diversity in altenrttive platforms in service, so that if one gets compromised by an enemy, not all forces are automatically effected. That starts with sophisticated electronics and carrier platforms, and ends on even a low level like infantry firearms. On the F35 I always thought that for what it can do it simply is hopelessly, HOPELESSLY, overpriced. Same is true for the F22. Even if technological superiority were given, it can compensate numerical inferiority only to a certain degree, and not beyond. An d a single loss of such an expensive hightech toy scores more hurting than two or three losses of a platform in a fleet where there are more units available. But probably the whole defence industry in the US is a profit and job generating measurement anyway. The dominant weapons of the coming next major war, are cyberweapons. And that war has gone hot already. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-29-14, 09:38 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If true then the blame will be on the Pentagon who laid down the build requirements. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	Of course it can't. Last edited by Admiral Halsey; 04-29-14 at 07:53 PM.

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	For the arms industries that is great news as they can now beg for more money for long term research to find out why it is a flop. The gravy train. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Flamebatter90 Medic Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 167 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Is there anything the F-35 can do?

04-29-14, 09:01 AM	#3
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The only thing this boondoogle has accomplished is that it has somewhat masked the arrival of it's successor technology. Drones and UAVs will out perform, out last and have beat the F35 to operational status. One reason we are still pushing manned fighters is that pilots run the air corps, pilots like to fly and pilots like to be heroes. Imaging yourself sitting in a bar in Omaha talking to a pimple faced computer geek kid in a uniform telling you about the hairiest missions he "flew" from his console. Same thing in space exploration. Manned space missions get all the attention and most of the money. But's it's the satellites , probes and rovers doing all the work.

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	If the man is right… lol Also… there is no lack of diversity so far. Besides that .. all the knowledge base built upon f 35 will most likely come handy in the future.

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I do hope that this information is given to the Danish Minister of Defence 'cause if this is true, it's a huge.(forgot the word)for F-35 Could be false alarm, but I don't know. Markus

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Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	It's amazing isn't it? All that money wasted to make a plane's radar cross section the size of a wee little bird, when all you need is a radar homing missile to knock out the radar. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

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TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	The real problem with the F35 is the reason it was designed and built the way it is appears to have been forgotten.