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Old 04-11-14, 06:46 PM   #1
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Denmark are about to make a decision on their next generation of Fighter Jets to the Danish Airforce.

The backbone in the Danish airforce F-16 has served Denmark since the late 70s and now it's time to send this aircraft at the museum. Therefore, Denmark needs a new fighter jets to replace it.

Denmark has selected four candidates. they are:

Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet one or two-seat, do not know which.

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II one or two-seat do not know which.

Saab JAS 39 Gripen E / F (Next Generation) same here

Eurofighter Typhoon

All of the above aircraft has its advantages and disadvantage.

Well I do not have to be the one to choose. I have chosen my favorite aircraft F/A-18.

So what planes do you think Denmark should choose?

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Old 04-11-14, 07:40 PM   #2
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A European one of course.

Make a compensation deal. You're digging a tunnel to Sweden iirc. They will come for booze I guess.
Charge them with a fee and they'll pay the Gripens for you.
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Old 04-11-14, 07:45 PM   #3
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ones with big guns.

And lazers!

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Old 04-11-14, 08:36 PM   #4
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For Denmark, the Gripen sounds ideal in ability and costs. However, squeeze a good deal out of the Swedes, the plane is not the newest anymore.

F-35 and Eurofighters are too expensive for what they offer. The Superhornet also would be a good choice, but the Gripen probably can be had cheaper. However, for long range operations over water, the Hornet might be better than the Gripen, I'm not sure: longer legs, or am I mistaken? Thinking about the Faroer Islands.

Or forget fighters completely, and go for drones. Its only a question of time until drones no longer just maverick ground targets, but start shooting stuff out of the sky as well.
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Old 04-11-14, 11:10 PM   #5
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I highly recommend the F-35. Somebody's got to help us pay for that flying metal coprolite.
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OK being serious. They are all too expensive and don't work properly for what you need. Drones is the way to go. Cheaper, less risk to losing pilots yadda yadda.
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Old 04-12-14, 01:25 PM   #7
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Denmark are about to make a decision on their next generation of Fighter Jets to the Danish Airforce.

The backbone in the Danish airforce F-16 has served Denmark since the late 70s and now it's time to send this aircraft at the museum. Therefore, Denmark needs a new fighter jets to replace it.
Nothing wrong in F-16. I would have considered modern variant (F-16E/F Block 60 or later) as good (relatively) low cost alternative option. As you have already decided thats not good for you...

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Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet one or two-seat, do not know which.
This my favourite. I would buy combination of single seat F/A-18Es and two seat F/A-18Fs. Single seaters would be used for air superiority etc. missions while two seaters would handle strike missions or ofcourse you could buy all single or two seater fleet aswell. Advantage of this aircraft is that you could order F/A-18Fs with Growler wiring preinstalled as Australians did. This would allow upgrading some airframes to EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft when needed/funds are available.

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Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II one or two-seat do not know which.
There are three variants available of which none has two seats. These are:
F-35A Air Force CTOL variant
F-35B Marine's STOVL variant and
F-35C Navy's CATOBAR variant
Although F-35 may eventually become great fighter its simply far too expensive. What will you do with aircraft you can't afford to lose?

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Saab JAS 39 Gripen E / F (Next Generation) same here
Second best option in my opinion. Affordable aircraft with reasonable performance.

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Eurofighter Typhoon
Good aircraft but a bit pricy. If you decide you really need two engine aircraft then this is good option.

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I highly recommend the F-35. Somebody's got to help us pay for that flying metal coprolite.
Oh the joys of corporate wellf... ehh investments to sustain industrial base!
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Old 04-12-14, 06:38 PM   #8
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They buy the F35 and they'll not have anything left to purchase the fuel needed
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funny how no one has mentioned this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

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funny how no one has mentioned this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

Most likely because the winning candidate will be announced mid 2015 and the Sukhoi is not expected to become operational in Russia until a year later.
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Old 04-18-14, 09:57 AM   #12
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America's military industrial complex thanks you for your support.

Free floor mats with every unit purchased.

Is there a discount if we buy in bulk? Does Costco carry them?
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Old 04-18-14, 06:56 PM   #13
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Is there a discount if we buy in bulk? Does Costco carry them?
Only on the website to be delivered from the warehouse. If you wish to discuss a bulk rate purchase, call 1-800 COSTCO
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Old 04-18-14, 11:39 PM   #14
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/us-f35-fighter-jet-approves-transatlantic-flight Get over to Britain in July and determine firsthand; With an uppity Soviet rebuilding current, maybe the expense and "who we fightin'" issues are up for re-examination! this bad boy is scheduled for the London RIAT and Farborough, England airshows! Good for the economy indeed if nothing el$e!
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Old 04-19-14, 07:59 AM   #15
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Oh the joys of corporate wellf... ehh investments to sustain industrial base!
Investment. Yes. That's it! Investment. It is an investment in Denmark's future. That's how we'll sell it!
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