no more pullups for female US marines

Skybird · 01-03-14, 07:38 AM

By a German report (LINK ) I learn that now has happened again exactly what nobody cna seriously want when allowing women into combat units and armed forces: that two standards for performance tests and fitness tests get established and the general standard gets lowered in order to still have gender equality.

Reports says that the US marine corps has stopped to demand female recruits physical tests and fitness tests that include pullups, since every second woman failed to achieve even just three pullups.

I'm all for same chances for females in the armed forces, almost all - though not all - branches. But only at this condition: that they pass the very same tests and qualification standards by which their male colleagues have to pass, since years and decades.

Because it is idiotic to assume that possible future enemies such female soldiers have to fight against will, confront them with voluntarily reduced combat strength to agree to more equalised chances between male hostile and female marine. A woman not en par with the physical performance abilities of her male colleagues, becomes a burden to her unit, and can even pout her whole unit at risk if her buddies have to take risks to compensate for her strength deficits. Thats starts with carrying stuff, and ends with many situation you can imagine when engaged under fire. As we would say in German, literally translating a phrase: a female soldiers nevertheless must be able to stand her man.

Political correctness continues with its corrosive endavours.

Not that the news is surprising, or shocking. It's the time we live in. The Chinese have this condemning wish for their enemies: "May you live in interesting times". Seen that way, we are extremely well-entertained.

Some days ago they had another report showing that internal research showed that rape of females in the Us armed forces is far more spread and happens far more often than officially admitted and shown by (cleaned) official numbers.

My policy: women are welcome - if they do not gain attention by showing deficits in physical and technical performance levels and if their inclusion in units and crews does not require more logistical reorganisation than can be justified, by all sane standards of reason, compared to the in principle: meaningless effect. If a soldier does the same job as well as his colleagues, it does not matter whether he/she is a boy or a girl. To have women in the armed forces for the mere purpose of being able to say that one has women in the armed forces, thus is absolutely pointless an argument. Gender means nothing here. Physical fitness and technical competence is what decides this for me.

Onkel Neal · 01-03-14, 08:56 AM

Yeah, we have to sacrifice our grasp on the realities of life to make everyone feel better. God help us if we ever get into another major ground war with an able opponent.

Sailor Steve · 01-03-14, 12:25 PM

I have to completely agree. As soon as you need a double standard, all the standards are lowered.

Admiral Halsey · 01-03-14, 12:35 PM

I don't mind sending woman into combat but if they can't do what the normal soldier can do then they need to stay far away from the front lines.

Wolferz · 01-03-14, 01:11 PM

If the girls want to fight on the front lines, then they should be held to the same standards as their male peers. There are some women who can do it but not many. Adjusting the standards for the sake of political correctness is wrong on all counts and a waste of resources.

Admiral Halsey · 01-03-14, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

If the girls want to fight on the front lines, then they should be held to the same standards as their male peers. There are some women who can do it but not many. Adjusting the standards for the sake of political correctness is wrong on all counts and a waste of resources.

Exactly. Sending those who can't fight properly to the front lines is murder.

Onkel Neal · 01-03-14, 05:47 PM

On one hand, I understand that female bodies are different than male, so it's pretty unfair to compare. But on the other hand, women can do pullups, if they are fit enough. For example: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...l-ups.cnn.html

Hell, our next war will be fought 100% with drones, tens of thousands hopefully, so maybe it really doesn't matter?

Stealhead · 01-03-14, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Hell, our next war will be fought 100% with drones, tens of thousands hopefully, so maybe it really doesn't matter?

True not much strength is needed to push a button.

Oberon · 01-03-14, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

True not much strength is needed to push a button.

I can't resist:

Stealhead · 01-03-14, 07:58 PM

In some cases this response is very true Vasquez's response.

I thought she was pretty hot when I was 10 or 11 heck I still do.Kind of like my wife I never worry about her because anyone that ever made the mistake of messing with her would be sorry and not because of anything I might do but do to her actions.Not to say that my wife is not feminine she just is no push over.

Of course there plenty of non-combat jobs in the military where some physical ability is required and not everyone really hacks it just like with any other job.

Oberon · 01-03-14, 08:16 PM

Indeed, and to be honest, I'd wager that 98% of the women in the armed forces would roll their eyes at this news, they are tougher than men always give them credit for, but again you have to wonder if that's partially down to how society tends to defer towards the pretty blonde with pipe-cleaner legs and arms rather than the Vasquez type, although it's a lot less like that these days than it was even forty years ago.

nikimcbee · 01-03-14, 11:01 PM

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On one hand, I understand that female bodies are different than male

That's good, I would hate to have to pull you aside at the next subsim meet to explain stuff.

Note, I used all of the self control in the world, to not post a 1950's educational film here.

I did find a really funny one though.

gi_dan2987 · 01-04-14, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I can't resist:

So true! I love that movie

kranz · 01-04-14, 01:40 PM

time for my 2 cents:

women who want to help in the army should be put in paid brothels behind the front line.
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gotcha - I was trolling.
Their services should be free.

01-04-14, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I'm all for same chances for females in the armed forces, almost all - though not all - branches. But only at this condition: that they pass the very same tests and qualification standards by which their male colleagues have to pass, since years and decades.

I am ex-military.
Before my army time I said:
"Women in the military? Hell why not?"
After my service I said:
"Women in the military? Hell no!"
(Of course, combat-unit related, not generally)

Once you've seen a woman desperately trying and trying to just load an assault rifle (HK G3A3) you quickly change your mind from
"Let's all run around with flowers in our hair!" to "Never change a running system!"

When you see them collapsing to the ground in pain, being unable to run a few miles due to monthly circumstances, you start to imagine "What if..."

Women in combat units? No thanks!
Women in the military? Of course, no question about that.

01-03-14, 07:38 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	no more pullups for female US marines By a German report (LINK ) I learn that now has happened again exactly what nobody cna seriously want when allowing women into combat units and armed forces: that two standards for performance tests and fitness tests get established and the general standard gets lowered in order to still have gender equality. Reports says that the US marine corps has stopped to demand female recruits physical tests and fitness tests that include pullups, since every second woman failed to achieve even just three pullups. I'm all for same chances for females in the armed forces, almost all - though not all - branches. But only at this condition: that they pass the very same tests and qualification standards by which their male colleagues have to pass, since years and decades. Because it is idiotic to assume that possible future enemies such female soldiers have to fight against will, confront them with voluntarily reduced combat strength to agree to more equalised chances between male hostile and female marine. A woman not en par with the physical performance abilities of her male colleagues, becomes a burden to her unit, and can even pout her whole unit at risk if her buddies have to take risks to compensate for her strength deficits. Thats starts with carrying stuff, and ends with many situation you can imagine when engaged under fire. As we would say in German, literally translating a phrase: a female soldiers nevertheless must be able to stand her man. Political correctness continues with its corrosive endavours. Not that the news is surprising, or shocking. It's the time we live in. The Chinese have this condemning wish for their enemies: "May you live in interesting times". Seen that way, we are extremely well-entertained. Some days ago they had another report showing that internal research showed that rape of females in the Us armed forces is far more spread and happens far more often than officially admitted and shown by (cleaned) official numbers. My policy: women are welcome - if they do not gain attention by showing deficits in physical and technical performance levels and if their inclusion in units and crews does not require more logistical reorganisation than can be justified, by all sane standards of reason, compared to the in principle: meaningless effect. If a soldier does the same job as well as his colleagues, it does not matter whether he/she is a boy or a girl. To have women in the armed forces for the mere purpose of being able to say that one has women in the armed forces, thus is absolutely pointless an argument. Gender means nothing here. Physical fitness and technical competence is what decides this for me. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-03-14, 08:56 AM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yeah, we have to sacrifice our grasp on the realities of life to make everyone feel better. God help us if we ever get into another major ground war with an able opponent. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-03-14, 12:25 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I have to completely agree. As soon as you need a double standard, all the standards are lowered. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-03-14, 01:11 PM	#5
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	If the girls want to fight on the front lines, then they should be held to the same standards as their male peers. There are some women who can do it but not many. Adjusting the standards for the sake of political correctness is wrong on all counts and a waste of resources. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

01-03-14, 05:47 PM	#7
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	On one hand, I understand that female bodies are different than male, so it's pretty unfair to compare. But on the other hand, women can do pullups, if they are fit enough. For example: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...l-ups.cnn.html Hell, our next war will be fought 100% with drones, tens of thousands hopefully, so maybe it really doesn't matter? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-03-14, 12:35 PM	#4
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	I don't mind sending woman into combat but if they can't do what the normal soldier can do then they need to stay far away from the front lines.

01-03-14, 07:58 PM	#10
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	In some cases this response is very true Vasquez's response. I thought she was pretty hot when I was 10 or 11 heck I still do.Kind of like my wife I never worry about her because anyone that ever made the mistake of messing with her would be sorry and not because of anything I might do but do to her actions.Not to say that my wife is not feminine she just is no push over. Of course there plenty of non-combat jobs in the military where some physical ability is required and not everyone really hacks it just like with any other job. Last edited by Stealhead; 01-03-14 at 08:13 PM.

01-03-14, 08:16 PM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Indeed, and to be honest, I'd wager that 98% of the women in the armed forces would roll their eyes at this news, they are tougher than men always give them credit for, but again you have to wonder if that's partially down to how society tends to defer towards the pretty blonde with pipe-cleaner legs and arms rather than the Vasquez type, although it's a lot less like that these days than it was even forty years ago.

01-04-14, 01:40 PM	#14
kranz The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,430 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	time for my 2 cents: women who want to help in the army should be put in paid brothels behind the front line. . . . . gotcha - I was trolling. Their services should be free.