Saab wins $4.5bn Brazil fighter jet contract

[Gerald]

The contract win is a major boost for Sweden-based Saab as it looks to take on rivals like Boeing.

The deal is one of the most valuable ones in emerging markets and Saab had faced competition from rivals Boeing and Dassault Aviation.

Many had expected Boeing or Dassault to emerge as the winner.

A good step for Saab to set up in South America, and with the new JAS 39E which model will be called, then the plane extensions, length increases better engine and more capable of arming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25441231

Note: 19 December 2013 Last updated at 09:34 GMT

[Skybird]

Always had a soft spot for the JAS39, when it appeared it was one of the most modern if not the most modern fighter worldwide.

No doubt that the NSA affair backfired here for Boeing. That US comments reveal that probably not one terror attack has been prevented by the megalomaniac NSA practices, does not help to make things better. Nor are comments by American envoys that data collecting is no data collecting and surveillance no surveillance really helpful.

What is Brazil to buy next in Sweden? Submarines?

South America is the second barrier protecting Boeing's foreign markets that collapses in short time. Some months ago, Japanese airlines cancelled a huge order for Boeing civilian airliners and opened the Japanese market for Airbus instead, rewarding it a record order.

[Gerald]

NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Vendor

NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil.

According to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.se, F-18 Super Hornet was way ahead of the French and the Swedish deal.

As it said in the article the reveal of the NSA surveillance against the leader of Brazil. made the it tip over to the Swedish favour

Markus

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by mapuc

According to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.se, F-18 Super Hornet was way ahead of the French and the Swedish deal.

As it said in the article the reveal of the NSA surveillance against the leader of Brazil. made the it tip over to the Swedish favour

Markus

I think so too, with wiretapping scandals against the Brazilian leader etc.

[Stealhead]

In many respects the Gripen is a better aircraft than the competition in this case.Much more bang for your buck really and it has very good rough field capabilities.The Super Hornet does not.

The Sweds can operate Gripen with just on trained tech and 6 or 7 untrained troops in rough field conditions. Gripen has been popular the Czechs went with them and so did the Thai Air Force.

A fully equipped Gripen costs $60 million USD while a Super Hornet cost $66 million.That and the Gripen is Swedish engineered.The Super Hornet is really 35 year old technology with a face lift when you get down to it.

I think you will see more nations choosing not to buy American military technology partly for political reasons but also because there is competing technology that is just as effective and costs less.

I must disagree on the Russian aircraft what they export is crap compared to what they use and it is inferior to western technology not to mention the important factor that Russian pilots see the amount of training in a year that a Western pilot sees in 90 days.Gripen is far superior to the MiG-29 the closest thing to a multi role aircraft that the Russians market.A wise smaller air force would do better buying a few less Gripens for the same cost and focusing on good training with that they'd dominate any local air force.As a matter of fact Hungary acquired the Gripen to replace the MiG-29s they had in their inventory wise choice.In modern warfare quality does trump quantity.

[vanjast]

Probably the same story as here... payments

The Russian aircraft are far superior to anything at the moment, especially the Grippen, and they cost less to maintain.

Maybe it all about what is perceived to be more important... but I'll encourage my kids to fly in a different air force, like emigrating to Russia

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vanjast

The Russian aircraft are far superior to anything at the moment

[Leandros]

Originally Posted by Vendor

NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil.

That may be but this has never stopped local politicians to prefer US products for - political reasons. Norway being a very good example. Few military purchases are actually based on purely technical, economical or tactical grounds. Just my opinion.

In that respect I suspect the Brazilian decision is very much influenced by the recent sensations regarding US spying on (and disregard of) potentially friendly nations.

That said, much can still happen in this case.

Fred

[Platapus]

I like a good sob story.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Leandros

That may be but this has never stopped local politicians to prefer US products for - political reasons. Norway being a very good example. Few military purchases are actually based on purely technical, economical or tactical grounds. Just my opinion.

In that respect I suspect the Brazilian decision is very much influenced by the recent sensations regarding US spying on (and disregard of) potentially friendly nations.

That said, much can still happen in this case.

Fred

Sure, it may well be the case, politicians are slippery says one thing and does another, the future will tell which.