Iranian plan B

[Skybird]

How? Bypassing the objects beign babbled about in endless sit-ins with Western idiots who since years and years refuse to connect with reality.

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[Betonov]

Yeah, sounds like they want the bomb

The question is, is Teheran dumb enough to use it.
Teheran is filled with the same egoistic greedy politicians London, Washington, Ljubljana, Berlin etc. has, and those kind of people have no intentions of dying

[Skybird]

Proliferation. Nuclear blackmailing. Supply to terrorists as proxies. Nuclear arms race in the region.

The Teheran leadership elites are full of religious nutjobs who would not mind to turn their own people into martyrs if it is on behalf of Islam, killing Israel, and suc justified causes. Just look what they willed to do to their own people during the war with Iraq. The mine-clearing march of the children for example. You have such mad dogs in the West too, in form of fundamental Christians hoping for the Apocalpypse to gain access to paradise by going through final judgement day and being found "worthy". The difference is they do not make it up the ladders in London, Washington and Paris in such quantities like in the crazy places of the darker part of the world.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just look what they willed to do to their own people during the war with Iraq. The mine-clearing march of the children for example.

I could find no evidence of this statement being true beyond possible isolated incidents involving individual child soldiers. There were child soldiers in combat, and many were more rabid in their beliefs than the adults (as is typical of children). But this seems to be more of a propaganda statement from Iran.

[Skybird]

Those "isolated incidents", Neon, costed the lives of - varying estimation - 40-75 thousand children who were send as mine exploders ahead of Iranian senior units of older and experienced soldiers. I had that in a thread longer time ago, three years or maybe even more, and lined to material back then, however, I also base on statements by Iranians from my own stays in Iran. Khomeni authorized these orders himself, referring to quotes from the Quran where Muhammad mocked his soldiers before a battle over their fear of loosing their lives. The boys were sent to be spearheads of advancing Iranian units and to clear safe lines through known minefields by exploding mines with their bodies, so that the soldiers coming after them would have safe transit and then would be capable to fight, undecimated by the mines.

Some foreign correspondents who were reporting from that war and experienced it at close range - amongst them my former boss from that time of travelling of mine - also confirm these "procedures".

Is it really that surprising that things like this get done by regimes? Heck, even Western militaries and health services acted repeatedly with similar contempt for humans, from intentional exposition of troops to radiation from nuclear explosions to the infamous Tuskegee-Syphilis-Study. During Normandy landing, they sent the inexperienced new recruits with the first wave to let them serve as bullet catchers, to save the more valuable and experienced veterans who maybe also would not throw themselves as enthusiastically into the enemy fire as the unknowing newbies, the latternot knowing what was waiting for them.

Really, Neon, you should not be surprised, not at all. It's man's world - and man does things like all this.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

During Normandy landing, they sent the inexperienced new recruits with the first wave to let them serve as bullet catchers, to save the more valuable and experienced veterans who maybe also would not throw themselves as enthusiastically into the enemy fire as the unknowing newbies, the latternot knowing what was waiting for them.

Eh.. probably the most experienced unit on the US side to land on the beaches
was the 1st Infantry Division, and they landed with the first wave.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Those "isolated incidents", Neon, costed the lives of - varying estimation - 40-75 thousand children who were send as mine exploders ahead of Iranian senior units of older and experienced soldiers. I had that in a thread longer time ago, three years or maybe even more, and lined to material back then, however, I also base on statements by Iranians from my own stays in Iran. Khomeni authorized these orders himself, referring to quotes from the Quran where Muhammad mocked his soldiers before a battle over their fear of loosing their lives. The boys were sent to be spearheads of advancing Iranian units and to clear safe lines through known minefields by exploding mines with their bodies, so that the soldiers coming after them would have safe transit and then would be capable to fight, undecimated by the mines.

Some foreign correspondents who were reporting from that war and experienced it at close range - amongst them my former boss from that time of travelling of mine - also confirm these "procedures".

Is it really that surprising that things like this get done by regimes? Heck, even Western militaries and health services acted repeatedly with similar contempt for humans, from intentional exposition of troops to radiation from nuclear explosions to the infamous Tuskegee-Syphilis-Study. During Normandy landing, they sent the inexperienced new recruits with the first wave to let them serve as bullet catchers, to save the more valuable and experienced veterans who maybe also would not throw themselves as enthusiastically into the enemy fire as the unknowing newbies, the latternot knowing what was waiting for them.

Really, Neon, you should not be surprised, not at all. It's man's world - and man does things like all this.

I am not surprised, not in the slightest. Just that I never heard of this, and even after searching could not find any evidence what you said happened. What I did find was that the whole mine thing is largely considered a myth (like the kids willingly wrapping themselves in several blankets and rolling through mine fields so that when the mines blew up they could be buried with all their parts).

So do you have any reliable sources to this? I am not disputing that many child soldiers were involved in the conflict.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Teheran is filled with the same egoistic greedy politicians London, Washington, Ljubljana, Berlin etc. has, and those kind of people have no intentions of dying

The Iranian nuclear program is run/supervised by the IRGC which answers to the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council. The Supreme Leader selects 1/2 the Guardian Council and selects who can run for the other 1/2 which is elected by the Parliament (anyone elected to that or the presidency is approved by the Supreme Leader).

The primary requirement for selection is knowledge of Islamic law.

They are not politicians, they are clerics.

[gimpy117]

when you said plan B I though something else...

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

They are not politicians, they are clerics.

Even greedier, no matter to which god they pray