Why no Kaibokans?

Flaskegaard · 11-27-12, 10:16 PM

I noticed there are no Japanese ASW ships called KAIBOKANS in the Japan ship roster, only a minesweeper and a subchaser. Here is a link that explains them and shows what they look like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_C_escort_ship. Being they made up nearly 2/3rds, if not more, of the Japanese escorts encountered from 1944 on, I'm curious as to why they were not included in the sim. I guess if you really want to wing it, you could tweek either the minesweeper's or subchaser's game files so they perform similar to the kaibokans, but there is a definite difference in their topside profile. It would be a good idea for anyone planning a future patch or mod, to include KAIBOKANS in the roster. There are several good web sites on the internet to research these special Japanese ASW ships. Just Google or Bing: JAPANESE WW2 ESCORTS; KAIBOKANS; or JAPANESE ASW EFFORTS IN WW2.

merc4ulfate · 11-27-12, 11:21 PM

I have seen this type in the game ... I do not know if the stock version has them but I know when I run TMO and RSRD I have seen them .... B and C class.

Armistead · 11-28-12, 12:27 AM

Mods include many ships and different platforms not found in stock. They're also numerous ships made by others you can add to your game if you take the time.

Flaskegaard · 11-28-12, 12:39 AM

You can add ships to SH4 without a mod? Where do I go for this?

Dread Knot · 11-28-12, 08:05 AM

I've seen them in the game too on occasion. Considering had badly Japan needed these cheap escorts they sure took their time getting them out of the shipyards.

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It was soon realized that Type C’s production schedule of between three and six months would outpace Japan’s ability to build diesel engines for them. A new Type "D" kaikoban was designed that would be powered by a turbine engine. 143 Type D’s were ordered and construction began in October 1943. In 1944, construction of most units were suspended and others cancelled to permit construction of KORYU submarines and KAITEN human torpedoes.

Even this late in the war Japan had it's production priorties screwed up. The vast majority of those midget subs were never used.

Armistead · 11-28-12, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaskegaard

You can add ships to SH4 without a mod? Where do I go for this?

Technically the ship is still a mod, cept you have to add many of them to the roster files and often traffic layers.

You may want to try Madmax DD pack which reworks most of the existing DD's. I think it was Miner that also had a mod that added 11 ships.

Flaskegaard · 01-21-13, 11:16 AM

I just added the SH4 1.4 TMO 1.7.6 and found a KAIBOKAN ESCORT added to the Japanese ship roster. Even though it's just a re-worked American Evarts DE, I'm not going to complain. It's better than no kaibokan at all. The only problem I have with it, is it's not very good at detecting my sub. I played the BORNEO CONVOY single mission and noticed none of the Kaibokans I added to the scenario could find me. The Japanese Minekaze destroyer picked me up in normal time and started pinging me right after my torpedos hit, which was about normal when playing the same scenario in the stock setting. The two kaibokans just sailed around in circles, as if searching for me. I sank the Minekaze and even went to flank speed, but never got pinged by either Kaibokan. One even sailed right over the top of me while doing flank speed at 150 feet, and still nothing. Any ideas on how to make the Kaibokans a bit more accurate at detecting a sub? They acted like they had no sonar or hydrophones at all.

11-27-12, 10:16 PM	#1
Flaskegaard Medic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 885 Uploads: 0	Why no Kaibokans? I noticed there are no Japanese ASW ships called KAIBOKANS in the Japan ship roster, only a minesweeper and a subchaser. Here is a link that explains them and shows what they look like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_C_escort_ship. Being they made up nearly 2/3rds, if not more, of the Japanese escorts encountered from 1944 on, I'm curious as to why they were not included in the sim. I guess if you really want to wing it, you could tweek either the minesweeper's or subchaser's game files so they perform similar to the kaibokans, but there is a definite difference in their topside profile. It would be a good idea for anyone planning a future patch or mod, to include KAIBOKANS in the roster. There are several good web sites on the internet to research these special Japanese ASW ships. Just Google or Bing: JAPANESE WW2 ESCORTS; KAIBOKANS; or JAPANESE ASW EFFORTS IN WW2.

11-28-12, 12:39 AM	#4
Flaskegaard Medic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 885 Uploads: 0	You can add ships to SH4 without a mod? Where do I go for this? Last edited by Flaskegaard; 11-28-12 at 12:49 AM.

01-21-13, 11:16 AM	#7
Flaskegaard Medic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 885 Uploads: 0	I just added the SH4 1.4 TMO 1.7.6 and found a KAIBOKAN ESCORT added to the Japanese ship roster. Even though it's just a re-worked American Evarts DE, I'm not going to complain. It's better than no kaibokan at all. The only problem I have with it, is it's not very good at detecting my sub. I played the BORNEO CONVOY single mission and noticed none of the Kaibokans I added to the scenario could find me. The Japanese Minekaze destroyer picked me up in normal time and started pinging me right after my torpedos hit, which was about normal when playing the same scenario in the stock setting. The two kaibokans just sailed around in circles, as if searching for me. I sank the Minekaze and even went to flank speed, but never got pinged by either Kaibokan. One even sailed right over the top of me while doing flank speed at 150 feet, and still nothing. Any ideas on how to make the Kaibokans a bit more accurate at detecting a sub? They acted like they had no sonar or hydrophones at all. Last edited by Flaskegaard; 01-21-13 at 01:51 PM.

11-27-12, 11:21 PM	#2
merc4ulfate DILLIGAF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: florida Posts: 2,058 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	I have seen this type in the game ... I do not know if the stock version has them but I know when I run TMO and RSRD I have seen them .... B and C class.

11-28-12, 12:27 AM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Mods include many ships and different platforms not found in stock. They're also numerous ships made by others you can add to your game if you take the time.