I'm watching Run Silent, Run Deep on TCM. Question.

Red October1984 · 11-03-12, 06:28 PM

Why are they starting attacks on the surface? They always go til they get detected and THEN dive.

Why? Just go in silent, kill, go out silent.

11-03-12, 07:50 PM

He (Cdr Richardson aka Clark Gable) wants to kill the Akakazi, Bungo Pete, the merchants don't really count. The destroyer is running at high speed and constantly changing course so the surface attack is the lure to set up the "down the throat" shot. Otherwise it would be next to impossible to hit and since he credited Bungo Pete with the destruction of his previous boat, the ambush makes sense in the fictional context of the story.

Red October1984 · 11-03-12, 08:13 PM

Ah. Right. Makes sense...

That was a very good movie. I understand why it is one of the best sub movies out there.

sharkbit · 11-03-12, 09:03 PM

it is a very good movie. However the only resemblence between the book and the movie are the names of the main characters and that it takes place on a US submarine during WWII.

If you've never read the book, I'd highly recommend it, along with the other two books in the "trilogy"- "Dust on the Sea" and "Cold is the Sea".

mookiemookie · 11-03-12, 09:30 PM

Early in the war, the accepted U.S. doctrine was to attack submerged, well below periscope depth. Hydrophone bearings only were used for TDC data. As the war went on, more aggressive captains met with greater success by using the surfaced attack method. The "Mark I Eyeball" was found to be a much more effective means of gathering torpedo firing solutions than trying to use only a hydrophone. A submarine operating on the surface was not vulnerable to hydrophone detection, and its low profile was very hard to spot in darkness. Sub captains found that they could get in close, get an accurate firing solution and escape on the surface without fear of detection.

So there you have it.

Aras · 01-26-13, 12:21 PM

Very good movie?! I have serious doubts about that.

First, what’s the ping sound we heard in all the scenes? Even when surfaced?
Two, Destroyer Mamo missing its shots? All of the planes missing???
Three, Destroyer Akakazi even didn’t tried to fire on the sub ? What’s that ?

Six forward tubes all fired from port side

I think this movie is too American where US always wins no matter what happens. Best sub movie you said?

geetrue · 01-29-13, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Why are they starting attacks on the surface? They always go til they get detected and THEN dive.

Why? Just go in silent, kill, go out silent.

I was on board a diesel submarine USS Salmon SS-573 18 years after WWII.

We did the same thing in training exercises ... except we made sweeps with our radar and line of sight with our tbt on the bridge before going under.

We were constantly charging batteries with our four fairbanks morse diesel engines to give us more time under the ocean with a top speed of perhaps 8 kts if we were in a hurry while submereged, but usually just 4 kts to maintain a heading.

We sank the USS Hornet a brand new (at the time) ASW carrier just out of the yards from being converted to ASW. We sank her and two escorts and our captain big daddy Liscomb (all American half back at Navy) playing John Wayne went under the Hornet and came up on the other side to get one escort and then finished off an oiler following the fleet.

They even had a nuke the USS Sculpin protecting them.

We never saw or heard her and they never even saw or heard us.

One pesky Neptune patrol plane spotted us while snorkeling the night before the attack, but from quick reporting a plane in the area, which is very hard to hear on sonar while snorkeling, we were able to avoid her pdc's and made a clean get away.

The Admiral of the first fleet over at the Coronado Island debriefing got to see all of our pictures proving the above was true, plus the thud's of practice mk 16's on their hulls surely left an impression that our Navy was not yet ready.

Not in 1963 that is

11-03-12, 06:28 PM	#1
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I'm watching Run Silent, Run Deep on TCM. Question. Why are they starting attacks on the surface? They always go til they get detected and THEN dive. Why? Just go in silent, kill, go out silent. __________________

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Ah. Right. Makes sense... That was a very good movie. I understand why it is one of the best sub movies out there. __________________

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sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	it is a very good movie. However the only resemblence between the book and the movie are the names of the main characters and that it takes place on a US submarine during WWII. If you've never read the book, I'd highly recommend it, along with the other two books in the "trilogy"- "Dust on the Sea" and "Cold is the Sea". __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Early in the war, the accepted U.S. doctrine was to attack submerged, well below periscope depth. Hydrophone bearings only were used for TDC data. As the war went on, more aggressive captains met with greater success by using the surfaced attack method. The "Mark I Eyeball" was found to be a much more effective means of gathering torpedo firing solutions than trying to use only a hydrophone. A submarine operating on the surface was not vulnerable to hydrophone detection, and its low profile was very hard to spot in darkness. Sub captains found that they could get in close, get an accurate firing solution and escape on the surface without fear of detection. So there you have it. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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Aras Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Posts: 102 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	Very good movie?! I have serious doubts about that. First, what’s the ping sound we heard in all the scenes? Even when surfaced? Two, Destroyer Mamo missing its shots? All of the planes missing??? Three, Destroyer Akakazi even didn’t tried to fire on the sub ? What’s that ? Six forward tubes all fired from port side I think this movie is too American where US always wins no matter what happens. Best sub movie you said? __________________ "Though I'm past 240 meters, I'm feeling very still and I think my u-boot knows which way to go ..."

11-03-12, 07:50 PM	#2
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	He (Cdr Richardson aka Clark Gable) wants to kill the Akakazi, Bungo Pete, the merchants don't really count. The destroyer is running at high speed and constantly changing course so the surface attack is the lure to set up the "down the throat" shot. Otherwise it would be next to impossible to hit and since he credited Bungo Pete with the destruction of his previous boat, the ambush makes sense in the fictional context of the story.