Japan's Atomic bomb

Ducimus · 07-17-12, 02:48 PM

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Using once-secret Japanese wartime documents, this special offers evidence that Japan had world-class nuclear physicists, access to uranium ore, and cyclotrons to process it.

07-17-12, 03:24 PM

I forget where I saw it, but I recall there was a battle fought during the Korean war to capture the area where Japan had thier A-Bomb stuff?

Hylander_1314 · 07-17-12, 03:56 PM

Good one Ducimus! Thanks! Really interesting stuff. Like the one I saw some years back where the Germans used predecessors of the smart bombs used today in March 1945. Too little too late.

boonie · 07-18-12, 03:40 AM

and this is probably the means by which they plan to deliver it with:

alot of their developement was focused on delivering very small payload, the A-bomb is probably the weapon they planned on using. Yamamoto was probably waiting for all the pieces to come together.

WernherVonTrapp · 07-19-12, 07:02 AM

I just watched this video last night. I think it's the first time I ever watched it. It was fairly commensurate with what I've seen or read in other documentaries and books, with one exception; the actual detonation of a nuclear device. The first question I found myself wrestling with was if I believed it or not. All the sources I had seen or read suggested that the Japanese were years behind the U.S. in the research and developement of The Bomb. Nothing I had previously heard suggested that the Japanese were capable (at that time) of anything more than a "dirty" bomb or device.

Essentially, it all boiled down to the newly disclosed document and the interrogations of a lone intelligence officer. I got the impression that, although the document has resurfaced (allegedly) after all these years, no one accounted it as proof that a detonation had occurred or was capable of occurring strictly on the strength of the document's contents. For me, that left the sole proof in the hands of the intelligence officer. That also posed another question for me.

Did I believe the interrogator? Yes.
Did I believe the Intelligence Officer? This one was a little harder for me and this documentary provided some of the clues that I considered in my equation. One of those clues was the lead physicist who was so distraught at losing face to the Allies (who completed the bomb first), he wanted himself and his colleagues to commit seppuku. Like the Bushido code, or individual warrior spirit, "saving face" was deeply imbued into Japanese culture. So much so, that the Japanese would fabricate stories about their accomplishments. This might very well account for a single, solitary, witness who was the only person thus far claiming to have witnessed a successful Japanese nuclear detonation.
At the same time, this doesn't preclude the possibility that one occurred, it's simply not enough evidence to raise anything more than speculation in my mind.
I think it's fair to say that the news of the U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki spread rather quickly throughout the Japanese Empire considering the communications channels of the era. This might explain both the (possible) fabrication of a story implying that the Japanese were equally capable of such a weapon, but it also raises the question of how an atomic detonation (or explosion) could remain so secret after all these years. Yes, I believe the Japanese completed a crude cyclotron but this is not proof of a successful detonation.
I'm also taking into account that, despite having spies keeping timely accounts of U.S. developements and advances in creating an Atomic Bomb for the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, it took the Soviet Union until August 29, 1949 to detonate their first nuclear device, and this after starting their program in 1942.
Oh well, anyway, I thought it was a very intriguing video. I'm surprised that I don't recall seeing it before.

The jury is still deliberating this one in my mind.

fred8615 · 07-19-12, 07:52 AM

If I recall correctly, this documentary is based on a book. And the author of that book also wrote one claiming General Patton's auto accident was actually an attempted assassination by the U.S. government! When it failed, they allowed the Soviets to kill him in the hospital.

So consider the source when debating the validity of this.

07-17-12, 03:56 PM	#3
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Good one Ducimus! Thanks! Really interesting stuff. Like the one I saw some years back where the Germans used predecessors of the smart bombs used today in March 1945. Too little too late. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

07-19-12, 07:02 AM	#5
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I just watched this video last night. I think it's the first time I ever watched it. It was fairly commensurate with what I've seen or read in other documentaries and books, with one exception; the actual detonation of a nuclear device. The first question I found myself wrestling with was if I believed it or not. All the sources I had seen or read suggested that the Japanese were years behind the U.S. in the research and developement of The Bomb. Nothing I had previously heard suggested that the Japanese were capable (at that time) of anything more than a "dirty" bomb or device. Essentially, it all boiled down to the newly disclosed document and the interrogations of a lone intelligence officer. I got the impression that, although the document has resurfaced (allegedly) after all these years, no one accounted it as proof that a detonation had occurred or was capable of occurring strictly on the strength of the document's contents. For me, that left the sole proof in the hands of the intelligence officer. That also posed another question for me. Did I believe the interrogator? Yes. Did I believe the Intelligence Officer? This one was a little harder for me and this documentary provided some of the clues that I considered in my equation. One of those clues was the lead physicist who was so distraught at losing face to the Allies (who completed the bomb first), he wanted himself and his colleagues to commit seppuku. Like the Bushido code, or individual warrior spirit, "saving face" was deeply imbued into Japanese culture. So much so, that the Japanese would fabricate stories about their accomplishments. This might very well account for a single, solitary, witness who was the only person thus far claiming to have witnessed a successful Japanese nuclear detonation. At the same time, this doesn't preclude the possibility that one occurred, it's simply not enough evidence to raise anything more than speculation in my mind. I think it's fair to say that the news of the U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki spread rather quickly throughout the Japanese Empire considering the communications channels of the era. This might explain both the (possible) fabrication of a story implying that the Japanese were equally capable of such a weapon, but it also raises the question of how an atomic detonation (or explosion) could remain so secret after all these years. Yes, I believe the Japanese completed a crude cyclotron but this is not proof of a successful detonation. I'm also taking into account that, despite having spies keeping timely accounts of U.S. developements and advances in creating an Atomic Bomb for the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, it took the Soviet Union until August 29, 1949 to detonate their first nuclear device, and this after starting their program in 1942. Oh well, anyway, I thought it was a very intriguing video. I'm surprised that I don't recall seeing it before. The jury is still deliberating this one in my mind. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

07-19-12, 07:52 AM	#6
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,320 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	If I recall correctly, this documentary is based on a book. And the author of that book also wrote one claiming General Patton's auto accident was actually an attempted assassination by the U.S. government! When it failed, they allowed the Soviets to kill him in the hospital. So consider the source when debating the validity of this. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

07-17-12, 03:24 PM	#2
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I forget where I saw it, but I recall there was a battle fought during the Korean war to capture the area where Japan had thier A-Bomb stuff?

07-18-12, 03:40 AM	#4
boonie Electrician's Mate Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 134 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	and this is probably the means by which they plan to deliver it with: alot of their developement was focused on delivering very small payload, the A-bomb is probably the weapon they planned on using. Yamamoto was probably waiting for all the pieces to come together.