"Kiel inbound" plotted course option doesn't work properly

jaxa · 03-15-12, 03:28 PM

I have problem with "Kiel inbound" plotted corse option - it's inverted like in mirror. I sail to start point of Kiel canal, choose Kiel inbound and I see plotted course not through Kiel canal but reversed. What's up?

Sailor Steve · 03-15-12, 04:00 PM

Where exactly do you mean by "start point"? There is a plot point outside the canal.

On the other hand I never use it, but always do my own plotting, so what do I know?

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 04:57 PM

All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant.

Tinman764 · 03-15-12, 05:09 PM

Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:19 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:24 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated.
Will try to research...

Gargamel · 03-15-12, 07:09 PM

For mw:

If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW.

As to OP:

Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea.

9emini · 03-17-12, 08:01 PM

This board is phenomenal. I just dropped by to ask this exact same question, having never ever seen it discussed here before.

But why the dependence on approach vector? There's no use for inverted Kiel courses are there?!

Mittelwaechter · 03-18-12, 05:27 AM

The original feature was not implemented for the Kiel Canal trip, but for three search patterns in the grid of your choice. Your direction of approach into the grid decided the direction of the unfold of the search pattern.

The modders redesigned two search patterns into the Kiel Canal courses, after they designed the Kiel Canal itself.
The approach feature is hardcoded.

03-15-12, 03:28 PM	#1
jaxa The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 1,501 Downloads: 418 Uploads: 0	"Kiel inbound" plotted course option doesn't work properly I have problem with "Kiel inbound" plotted corse option - it's inverted like in mirror. I sail to start point of Kiel canal, choose Kiel inbound and I see plotted course not through Kiel canal but reversed. What's up? __________________ SHIII + GWX 3 Gold + V16B1 hardcode fixes + SH3Commander SHIV + OM + OMEGU SHV + WoS

03-15-12, 04:00 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Where exactly do you mean by "start point"? There is a plot point outside the canal. On the other hand I never use it, but always do my own plotting, so what do I know? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-15-12, 04:57 PM	#3
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:19 PM	#5
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:24 PM	#6
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated. Will try to research... __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 03-15-12 at 06:46 PM.

03-15-12, 05:09 PM	#4
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

03-15-12, 07:09 PM	#7
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	For mw: If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW. As to OP: Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

03-17-12, 08:01 PM	#8
9emini Seaman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aboard the Galaga Posts: 37 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This board is phenomenal. I just dropped by to ask this exact same question, having never ever seen it discussed here before. But why the dependence on approach vector? There's no use for inverted Kiel courses are there?! __________________ SH3 + GWX3.0 + 100% realism + restart patrol if sunk + no TC =

03-18-12, 05:27 AM	#9
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The original feature was not implemented for the Kiel Canal trip, but for three search patterns in the grid of your choice. Your direction of approach into the grid decided the direction of the unfold of the search pattern. The modders redesigned two search patterns into the Kiel Canal courses, after they designed the Kiel Canal itself. The approach feature is hardcoded. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE