What greene energy can't do.

[yubba]

If you are reading this right now, it was brought to you by oil or oil refined products, maybe the electric that powers your computer and before you say a word I have acouple of words for you insulators, power lines and cords , the plastic's in the chair that you are sitting in, the plastic that's in your computer, and in the carpet at your feet, the clothes on your back, and in that nice white food box that you have in the kitchen, lots of oil involved there, and before you demonize oil companies you better look around and see how good you have it. If you hate big oil so much, you should jump out of your clothes and get out of that house, that has so much oil in it, that it will make your head spin, and go huddle under a tree. Oil, it isn't all about filling your tank. and how much oil is in all that birthcontrol stuff, no oil no birthcontrol crisis. And since I use to work on heavy equipment there is nothing yet made to replace the diesel engine and all it's applications.

[mookiemookie]

Keep sucking that oil pipe.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Keep sucking that oil pipe.

you wouldn't have pipe without oil, all that plastic pipe, and what is plastic made from, you can say it, oil see it wasn't that hard. Another thing that greene energy can't do is, stop killing, birds, hawks, owls, eagles, and bats, in the blades of those windmills, I guess the greeney's didn't see that come-ing and got their panties all into a bunch over this. Wouldn't have panties with out oil.

[Reece]

My computer runs off a 1.5kw solar power grid, panels mounted on the roof!

[Sailor Steve]

Yubba, are you really that disconnected from your own self? As the old adage goes, it's not what you say but how you say it. I agree with much of what you believe, but you say it in such a manner that you make all conservatives look bad.

You need to learn how to communicate rather than just pontificate. If pontificating is all you know, you might get your point across better if you at least learned how to write the language properly.

As it is, you're an embarrassment to your own side.

[razark]

So, when the oil is gone, what happens to that disposable society lifestyle you describe?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

you wouldn't have pipe without oil

Metal pipelines no longer exist then?

[Rockstar]

Well, I can understand some of what he's saying here. Just complaints and finger pointing but nobody it seems is willing to give up or do what it takes and use the alternative energy sources available right now. It always someone else needs to do it. Until then I'll just complain just like Yubba and others.

Reece I suspect is the only one supplementing energy from the city grid.



So instead of going out and buying a new computer, HDTV, iPad, or subsim game. Try brushing up on solar, wind energy sources and how to to tie it in to your household grid via inverter. You don't have to wait for government or need a licensed contractor to do it for you. The equipment is out there and available to anyone.

Metal pipelines no longer exist then?

But Oberon metal is a lie, so are wooden chairs and wool carpets, there is only oil especially in your clothes if you are in a bad 1970s fashion warp or do your clothes shopping at walmart.
But don't forget birth control, maybe while someone is huddling under a tree they can take the plant juice and make some by inventing a revolutionary new process


but hey lets.......

And since I use to work on heavy equipment

Most heavy equipment comes with the stipulation that you cannot operate it with impaired faculties, is that why you no longer operate it?

there is nothing yet made to replace the diesel engine and all it's applications.

Yes dear, go to the quack and get a new prescription for dried frog pills.
A diesel engine is just an engine that is powered by diesel yubba.

You often sound like a person who escaped from loony bin - that is not good for credibility.

krasnyi, what do you mean "often"?

Rockstar, don't forget geo-thermal and hydro. OK hydro isn't much good for most domestic but geo is very affordable now.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Metal pipelines no longer exist then?

How do get metal ore out of the ground without oil I guess you like running a shovel. Greene energy can't seem to make it on its own without tons of taxpayer money, I'm not against greene but let's be smart about this. You destroy the oil industry alot of other stuff goes with it.

[the_tyrant]

I'm wondering what will happen to the middle east after oil?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

How do get metal ore out of the ground without oil I guess you like running a shovel. Greene energy can't seem to make it on its own without tons of taxpayer money, I'm not against greene but let's be smart about this. You destroy the oil industry alot of other stuff goes with it.

We managed perfectly fine before petrol, and we'll manage after. It's going to disappear one day, and if we keep sucking at it with this rate then it'll be a lot sooner than we think.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as dependent on oil as the next guy, but I don't like it because nothing lasts forever.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by yubba

How do get metal ore out of the ground without oil...

Well some metals, chiefly gold and silver were around in the Stone Age. Then they moved on to the Bronze Age (some skipped this bit!) about 5500 years ago and amassed some more metals. Then came the Iron Age about 3300 years ago. Some other metals have followed since then.

Oil on the other hand is first mentioned in ye olde English around 900 years ago, but does actually extend back to the Bronze Age with the Mycenaean Greeks - but this oil is not the same stuff to which you refer, but instead things like body and plant fats.

Tar pitch was known to seep from the ground near the river Euphrates 4000 years ago, and this was used to waterproof things but it's not until 347 AD that a well was drilled in China using bamboo poles. Later references mention hand-dug wells at Baku in modern day Azerbaijan around 500 years ago. In 1815 oil was discovered as an unwanted by-product in Pennsylvania, and the first 'modern' well was drilled near Baku in 1848.

So to answer your question - with hand tools would seem adequate.

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