Do ships sink in bad seas?

soopaman2 · 10-11-11, 09:14 AM

I was playing a patrol today, I saw something odd that really "took me out of it"

I am stalking a ship off the coast of Spain. The seas were just disgusting, some of the worse I seen in this game. I am lining up for a shot, and waiting to get within 1500 meters, and all of a sudden it turns into a sunken ship icon. I didn't get credit for the sinking (nor did I deserve it). But the red split ship icon did show.

The only mod I am using on this run is the merchant fleet mod. It was one of the added ships (an M106 or b or)...something) , it just keeled backwards and sunk aft first. I even checked my crew to see if somehow I had deck guns operational. Nothing.

Is this a mod function breaking, or a SH3 bug (like the unrecoverable dive), or do ships actually manage to sink in bad seas?

Thanks in advance Kaleuns.

Herr-Berbunch · 10-11-11, 09:16 AM

Yes, or it could be AI U-boat/aircraft beaten you to it.

It's annoying when that happens, isn't it!

HW3 · 10-11-11, 09:20 AM

You should check the tramp steamers in convoys out in bad weather/high seas, they always sink by themselves.

frau kaleun · 10-11-11, 09:28 AM

I was roaming around the North Sea once during the big Norway hullabaloo, terrible weather - I mean visibility on the surface was nil so we stayed submerged. We could hear many nearby ships on the hydrophone and "listened" as several of them sank around us. I've also seen contacts suddenly turn into sunk ship icons in other areas during really bad weather.

It's always possible as noted above that somebody else came along and got the kill, but I would say that, yes, in really bad weather you can see ships sink just from that alone.

soopaman2 · 10-11-11, 09:35 AM

And this forum works again, compiled experience helps a young inexperienced and humble Kaleun.

I tip my hat to the old guard, thanks.

I had not come across this in game until now so was unsure. I suppose it is realistic. A sub is way safer in rough seas than a small cargo vessel. (Didn't the Old Man in Das Boot say as much at one point?)

Jimbuna · 10-11-11, 02:27 PM

The SH3 game engine treats any damage, whatever it's source in the same way.

The unrealistic aspect being the vessel may well catch fire (even though it is floundering in heavy seas) before it sinks.

Ravenfuhrer · 10-11-11, 06:15 PM

yes

JuergenSchT · 10-11-11, 11:38 PM

I found this screenshot in my 'ole screenshots folder. It's from when I was playing Vanilla SH3 (I just finished my second patrol with GWX two days ago). The rectangles show the directions on which I had the sound contacts. And notice that next to the pointer is the 'Sunk Ship' icon, in colour grey. It was a fishing boat.
I've got also some screenshots of a small merchant that was rocking heavily (and headbanging

LOL) in rough seas. It was in a convoy that I was following for about a day. It didn't sink! (even though it had a small fire onboard).

So I guess it's a pretty random thing.

HW3 · 10-12-11, 11:05 AM

What I find somewhat frustrating is to find a tramp steamer trailing behind its convoy, down by the head but, still plugging along. I work myself into position to line up a shot, more to put it out of its misery than anything else, and have it finally sink just before I can fire and get credit for it.

Uboat-48 · 10-13-11, 03:13 AM

I've seen a V&W Destroyer sink her self before.
She spotted me in very heavy seas and she took an extremely sharp turn doing 29+ knots and crested a wave running parallel to the ship.
This caused her to hit the water at a 45 degree angle and she eventually sunk from the flooding.

This was in SH3 vanilla.
It was very cool to see and seemed very realistic.

10-11-11, 09:14 AM	#1
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Do ships sink in bad seas? I was playing a patrol today, I saw something odd that really "took me out of it" I am stalking a ship off the coast of Spain. The seas were just disgusting, some of the worse I seen in this game. I am lining up for a shot, and waiting to get within 1500 meters, and all of a sudden it turns into a sunken ship icon. I didn't get credit for the sinking (nor did I deserve it). But the red split ship icon did show. The only mod I am using on this run is the merchant fleet mod. It was one of the added ships (an M106 or b or)...something) , it just keeled backwards and sunk aft first. I even checked my crew to see if somehow I had deck guns operational. Nothing. Is this a mod function breaking, or a SH3 bug (like the unrecoverable dive), or do ships actually manage to sink in bad seas? Thanks in advance Kaleuns. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-11-11, 09:16 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Yes, or it could be AI U-boat/aircraft beaten you to it. It's annoying when that happens, isn't it! __________________

10-11-11, 09:20 AM	#3
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,576 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	You should check the tramp steamers in convoys out in bad weather/high seas, they always sink by themselves. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

10-11-11, 09:35 AM	#5
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	And this forum works again, compiled experience helps a young inexperienced and humble Kaleun. I tip my hat to the old guard, thanks. I had not come across this in game until now so was unsure. I suppose it is realistic. A sub is way safer in rough seas than a small cargo vessel. (Didn't the Old Man in Das Boot say as much at one point?) __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-11-11, 02:27 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The SH3 game engine treats any damage, whatever it's source in the same way. The unrealistic aspect being the vessel may well catch fire (even though it is floundering in heavy seas) before it sinks. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-11-11, 09:28 AM	#4
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I was roaming around the North Sea once during the big Norway hullabaloo, terrible weather - I mean visibility on the surface was nil so we stayed submerged. We could hear many nearby ships on the hydrophone and "listened" as several of them sank around us. I've also seen contacts suddenly turn into sunk ship icons in other areas during really bad weather. It's always possible as noted above that somebody else came along and got the kill, but I would say that, yes, in really bad weather you can see ships sink just from that alone.

10-11-11, 06:15 PM	#7
Ravenfuhrer Nub Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	yes

10-11-11, 11:38 PM	#8
JuergenSchT Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Trujillo, Peru Posts: 45 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I found this screenshot in my 'ole screenshots folder. It's from when I was playing Vanilla SH3 (I just finished my second patrol with GWX two days ago). The rectangles show the directions on which I had the sound contacts. And notice that next to the pointer is the 'Sunk Ship' icon, in colour grey. It was a fishing boat. I've got also some screenshots of a small merchant that was rocking heavily (and headbanging LOL) in rough seas. It was in a convoy that I was following for about a day. It didn't sink! (even though it had a small fire onboard). So I guess it's a pretty random thing.

10-12-11, 11:05 AM	#9
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,576 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	What I find somewhat frustrating is to find a tramp steamer trailing behind its convoy, down by the head but, still plugging along. I work myself into position to line up a shot, more to put it out of its misery than anything else, and have it finally sink just before I can fire and get credit for it. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

10-13-11, 03:13 AM	#10
Uboat-48 Watch Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 22 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I've seen a V&W Destroyer sink her self before. She spotted me in very heavy seas and she took an extremely sharp turn doing 29+ knots and crested a wave running parallel to the ship. This caused her to hit the water at a 45 degree angle and she eventually sunk from the flooding. This was in SH3 vanilla. It was very cool to see and seemed very realistic.