Nanny State in the EU?

AVGWarhawk · 10-10-11, 11:40 AM

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Children are to be banned from taking part in traditional Christmas games, from blowing up balloons to blowing on party whistles, because of new EU safety rules that have just entered into force.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ety-rules.html

Betonov · 10-10-11, 11:46 AM

Great, by the time I have children I will not be allowed to walk with them in the forrest, since they could trip and fall

soopaman2 · 10-10-11, 11:54 AM

That is is load of "toy whistles".

We have people who sue here if you put up a huge Christmas tree no Menorah. Also if the menorah is smaller, out come the lawyers. If you get enough atheists who feel like causing trouble and have a few bucks, even they can block township Christmas decorations.

But thats a town thing, this just seems authoritarian, am I missing something due to culture differences?

I always though Europe was more tolerant than us brutes south of Canada, and less prone to people being offended. More classy I guess.
I am truly intrigued on the reasoning behind this, even the tinfoil hat theories.
Is it some leftover Crusades Christian remorse thing or some leftover blowback from an Austrian painter with sour morals?

Edit: Seems like an attack on a religion to me..Just the American in me, but it seems wrong.

Betonov · 10-10-11, 11:57 AM

Nope, it's just fat cats in suits thinking up crazy and absurd laws so they look like they're actually working. No deep morals or regrets, just useless buerocrats trying to prove they earned their pay and failing miserably

soopaman2 · 10-10-11, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Nope, it's just fat cats in suits thinking up crazy and absurd laws so they look like they're actually working. No deep morals or regrets, just useless buerocrats trying to prove they earned their pay and failing miserably

Oh Betonov, we have them here too!
*tries not to laugh*
They truly know what the people want.
*die laughing*

I'm kinda glad (sorry) that we aren't the only country going down the "Hello Kitty" route.

AVGWarhawk · 10-10-11, 12:05 PM

I'll have you know that I'm a:

I think the kids can survive a party whistle and balloon.

Egan · 10-10-11, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

That is is load of "toy whistles".

We have people who sue here if you put up a huge Christmas tree no Menorah. Also if the menorah is smaller, out come the lawyers. If you get enough atheists who feel like causing trouble and have a few bucks, even they can block township Christmas decorations.

For the record, I'm an atheist and I like Christmas. So does the Muslim guy that runs the shop downstairs from my flat. Funnily enough, the couple of people I know who seem to dislike it the most are Christians. I bet Jesus would rather come 'round to my place on Christmas day to have a glass or two of port and watch the Bond film than go to their place. I'd sing Happy Birthday and everything. Would he need two presents, though? Hmmm.

Dowly · 10-10-11, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan

For the record, I'm an atheist and I like Christmas.

Same here.

soopaman2 · 10-10-11, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan

For the record, I'm an atheist and I like Christmas. So does the Muslim guy that runs the shop downstairs from my flat. Funnily enough, the couple of people I know who seem to dislike it the most are Christians. I bet Jesus would rather come 'round to my place on Christmas day to have a glass or two of port and watch the Bond film than go to their place. I'd sing Happy Birthday and everything. Would he need two presents, though? Hmmm.

Me as well, I am adept at mocking but I respect the kindness of Christ.. Heck my real name is Christian... (Italian American thing, all boys have to be named biblically, Peter, Paul, Daniel etc).
But I enjoy Christmas as well. The kids, man...You can never destroy a childs beliefs. America is lawsuit happy. We have a thing about "separation of church and state" that some folks use to kill the general happy time for everyone.

Sorry to derail

Skybird · 10-10-11, 12:21 PM

Sometimes I am left with just looking forward to all this decadent and degenerated place blowing up in shine and radiation.

Betonov · 10-10-11, 12:24 PM

Here's one for Sky, he knows more about the legislation in the EU

what would happen if by some miracle my goverment in Ljubljana had the cohones to tell Brussels that this law is absurd and will not implement it under any circumstances ??

STEED · 10-10-11, 12:32 PM

Get stuffed EU.

BTW: Have you the EU signed off your accounts yet?
A 15 year joke!

Skybird · 10-10-11, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Here's one for Sky, he knows more about the legislation in the EU

what would happen if by some miracle my goverment in Ljubljana had the cohones to tell Brussels that this law is absurd and will not implement it under any circumstances ??

I assume that the commission or the responsible commissioner would warn and warn, and finally would launch a EU legal prosecution against your country, which could lead to either the case being brought to a EU court and your government getting sentenced to comply, or the proclamation of financial fines by the commissioner's ressort office.

I do not know it for sure.

Respenus · 10-10-11, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I assume that the commission or the responsible commissioner would warn and warn, and finally would launch a EU legal prosecution against your country, which could lead to either the case being brought to a EU court and your government getting sentenced to comply, or the proclamation of financial fines by the commissioner's ressort office.

I do not know it for sure.

Will all due respect Sky, you are more or less right. Slovenia would, under EU law, be required to either put into effect (regulation) or transpose into national law (directive) a certain piece of legislation as adopted by the EU Parliament and the Council of the EU (people keep forgetting countries accept must approve legislation). If Slovenia did not comply, it would get a warning, which, if not respected, would put Slovenia in danger of appearing before the ECJ. In a certain period of time, Slovenia would still have the opportunity to actually do something and the Commission would request that the proceedings stop. If Slovenia decided during all this time to screw Brussels (even though it voted for the law at the EU level), the ECJ would decide if the country either broke the rules by not putting into effect, transposing, or transposing completely the piece of legislation. It is also possible for it not the be applied properly and this is why a court inside a member state can demand that the ECJ gives its legal opinion on the matter of the interpretation or application of EU law.

The author of the article in question is well know for his more that non-favourable regard of the EU in general. The problem is...I find myself agreeing more and with his opinion. The sensationalism is one of Bruno's problems. Some more moderation would serve him better. Yet the most important thing here is that the quoted rules are included in the guidelines. The guidelines which were published by the Commission to ensure "universal" compliance. These rules are not included in the law itself. But I'm not enough of a legal expert to answer whether or not guidelines are to be fully respected.

10-10-11, 02:58 PM

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Yet the most important thing here is that the quoted rules are included in the guidelines

Which quoted rules?

10-10-11, 11:54 AM	#3
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	That is is load of "toy whistles". We have people who sue here if you put up a huge Christmas tree no Menorah. Also if the menorah is smaller, out come the lawyers. If you get enough atheists who feel like causing trouble and have a few bucks, even they can block township Christmas decorations. But thats a town thing, this just seems authoritarian, am I missing something due to culture differences? I always though Europe was more tolerant than us brutes south of Canada, and less prone to people being offended. More classy I guess. I am truly intrigued on the reasoning behind this, even the tinfoil hat theories. Is it some leftover Crusades Christian remorse thing or some leftover blowback from an Austrian painter with sour morals? Edit: Seems like an attack on a religion to me..Just the American in me, but it seems wrong. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,281 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I'll have you know that I'm a: I think the kids can survive a party whistle and balloon. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,678 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sometimes I am left with just looking forward to all this decadent and degenerated place blowing up in shine and radiation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Get stuffed EU. BTW: Have you the EU signed off your accounts yet? A 15 year joke! __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Great, by the time I have children I will not be allowed to walk with them in the forrest, since they could trip and fall

10-10-11, 11:57 AM	#4
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Nope, it's just fat cats in suits thinking up crazy and absurd laws so they look like they're actually working. No deep morals or regrets, just useless buerocrats trying to prove they earned their pay and failing miserably

10-10-11, 12:24 PM	#11
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Here's one for Sky, he knows more about the legislation in the EU what would happen if by some miracle my goverment in Ljubljana had the cohones to tell Brussels that this law is absurd and will not implement it under any circumstances ??