New sub- lost my radar

[Flaxpants]

After my 3rd patrol I was offered a new sub, which I gratefully accepted- I had a Porpoise class, now I have Gato class.

I had added the air search radar to the Porpoise at the start of my previous mission. I now note that the Gato does not have this radar, nor is it available as an upgrade- which is a real pity as I had gotten quite used to it!

Just wondering if this is normal and if it will become available again at some point or if it is some kind of problem with the game?

I did a search for this and only found a similair instance when upgrading a conning tower, nothing about a new sub.

RFB 2.0
RSRDC

[CapnScurvy]

You may want to look at this thread regarding the loss of SJ radar found HERE. Drill down to post #12 to see what I discovered.

I don't have verification that RFB has the same issue as the stock game but what I've discovered is the dates for equipment (either with an initial outfit or with an upgrade) can be "out of sequence" in the date they are discontinued or issued. There may be an "end date" of a piece of equipment that's before the "start date" of the same equipment. Or, the date could be in error, like having a start date of Sept. 31 (no such date exists). It makes no difference whether it's an upgrade to an older boat, or a new boats starting dates outfit. If the dates are off or out of sequence, the game can't figure out what to do with the equipment, so it won't list it as being available.

It's possible the offer for the SD radar will appear at a later date, but I've not looked at the RFB files to know for sure.

[Flaxpants]

Thanks CapnScurvy.

I am at work at the moment so am unable to check the file. I will have a look tonight and will post my findings in case anyone else runs into this issue.

Cheers

[Flaxpants]

Here is the Gato sns file from RFB 2.0. The RFB manual says that the SD Air search radar becomes available in Dec. 1941, with the SD-1 Air search radar becoming available from June 1942. My current campaign date is mid April, 1942.

Presumably [Sensor 15] is the SD in question(?), in which case the end date is not until March '43, suggesting that it should still be available.

Also, it looks to me as if [Sensor 16] is the SD-1 radar, in which case the availability dates for that do not match those in the manual...

; sensor configuration file

;lookout on conning tower
[Sensor 1]
NodeName=O01
LinkName=VisualSubWatch
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;atack periscope
[Sensor 2]
NodeName=O02
LinkName=Periscope
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Observation periscope
[Sensor 3]
NodeName=O03
LinkName=Periscope
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Hydrophone
[Sensor 4]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=NSS_Hydrophone_Ball_02
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19430430

[Sensor 5]
NodeName=H04
LinkName=NSS_Hydrophone_Ball_01
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19430430

;Hydrophone2
[Sensor 6]
NodeName=H02
LinkName=NSS_Hydrophone_Head
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Sonar
[Sensor 7]
NodeName=N01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Radar
[Sensor 8]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19420704

[Sensor 9]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_EarlySJ_Mount
StartDate=19420705
EndDate=19430630

[Sensor 10]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_LateSJ_Mount
StartDate=19430701
EndDate=19450831

[Sensor 11]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NSS_EarlySJ_Mount
StartDate=19450901
EndDate=19451231

;RadioDF
[Sensor 12]
NodeName=D01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Radar Warning
[Sensor 13]
NodeName=C01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 14]
NodeName=R02
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19411224

[Sensor 15]
NodeName=R02
LinkName=NSS_EarlySD
StartDate=19411225
EndDate=19430311

[Sensor 16]
NodeName=R02
LinkName=NSS_LateSD
StartDate=19430312
EndDate=19450731

[Sensor 17]
NodeName=R02
LinkName=NSS_SS
StartDate=19450801
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 18]
NodeName=R03
LinkName=NSS_IFF_01
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 19]
NodeName=D02
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 20]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=NSS_Hydrophone_Ball_04
StartDate=19430501
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 21]
NodeName=H04
LinkName=NSS_Hydrophone_Ball_03
StartDate=19430501
EndDate=19451231

I did read somewhere of an instance where someone had to do 1 patrol without it after upgrading his sub, and then was able to purchase it his next time in port. I'm hoping this will happen to me

[CapnScurvy]

Flaxpants, looking at the Gato.sns file I don't see anything wrong with it. The R02 entries are indeed the SD Air Radar (R01 is the SJ Surface Radar). There are 4 specific entries for the R02, starting with the first that has a Linkname=NULL, StartDate=19380101, EndDate=19411224 (pretty much sets up the use of the SD radar AFTER the 12/24/1941 date. The next R02 entry picks up the correct date of 12/25/1941 as a start date using the NSS_EarlySD. This referes to the conning tower mount that is used by the radar of the early war Gato class. The game referres to the "mount" type when it's speaking about the different radar units. Again, I don't see anything wrond with these dates.

But, this is just one of three files that can be a problem with dates and the availability to get the equipment you should have. Check out the #15 post here to get the complete picture. One of the other files can still be the culprit.

I will admit that as the game time passes you probably will get the offer to get the SD radar. Once all three files are on the same page with the dates, the offer to equip your boat with the right radar should occur.

[Flaxpants]

Edit- Well guess what? I just started up the game, loaded my base save, and hey presto! would you believe it- it's all there again. So don't bother reading through all the code, just restart your game!


Thanks for helping me out here CapnAScurvy, very much appreciated.

I checked out your post and had a good look at the files in question, I'm fairly sure I'm looking at the right sections . I'm must admit to being slightly confused as to how the dates relate to each other- I certainly can't see much correlation between them, but then I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at!

UPC file (UpgradePackslot)

[UserPlayerUnit

1.UpgradePackSlot 2]
ID= UpgAirSearchRadar
NameDisplayable= Air Search
Radar
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=AirRadars,
AdvAirRadars
UserCustomizable=Yes
IDLinkUpgradePackSlots=
EqSlot33, AirRadarAntenna
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsInter
valDefault1= 1942-10-01,
1945-07-31,
UpackGatoImpSDRadar
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsInter
valDefault2= 1945-08-01,
NULL, UpackGatoSVRadar

UPGRADE PACKS UPC file

[UpgradePack 38]
ID= UpackGatoSDRadar
NameDisplayable= SD Air
Search Radar
Info=SDRadarInfo
Notes=SDRadarNotes
FunctionalType=
UpFTypeSensorRadar
UpgradePackSlotType=
AirRadars
Type=NULL
;UpgradePackInterval=1941-
12-01, 1942-08-01
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
onCurrent= NULL, NULL, 0
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
ons1=1941-12-01, 1942-12-
31, 500
IDLinkUpgradePackElements=
SDRadarApp,
SDRadarAntennaEarly

[UpgradePack 39]
ID= UpackGatoImpSDRadar
NameDisplayable= SD-1 Air
Search Radar
Info=ImpSDRadarInfo
Notes=ImpSDRadarNotes
FunctionalType=
UpFTypeSensorRadar
UpgradePackSlotType=
AirRadars
Type=NULL
;UpgradePackInterval=1942-
06-01, NULL
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
onCurrent= NULL, NULL, 0
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
ons1=1942-07-14, 1942-07-
31, 500
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
ons2=1942-08-01, 1942-12-
31, 100
UnitUpgradePackIntervalOpti
ons3=1943-01-01, NULL, 0
IDLinkUpgradePackElements=
SDRadarApp,
SDRadarAntennaLate