GWX3 minefields question

andqui · 08-01-11, 11:58 AM

I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person.

How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them?

thanks

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 01:11 PM

North Sea Mine Barrage, GWX3.

sublynx · 08-01-11, 01:29 PM

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

08-01-11, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

frau kaleun · 08-01-11, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pditty8811

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late

), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

Paul Riley · 08-02-11, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late

), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

When leaving Wili I generally stick fairly close to the Dutch coastline,I have really had no reason to go near this Helgoland.I would have thought mines were submerged objects,so they were on the surface?

max-peck · 08-01-11, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

Glad it's not just me that's hit a mine and ended a career near Helgoland

Obltn Strand · 08-02-11, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

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Originally Posted by max-peck

Glad it's not just me that's hit a mine and ended a career near Helgoland

Most of my mine encounters have happened near Helgoland. First crawl through Kiel kanal; bang; and grey wolf limps to Helgoland port to lick it's wounds.

Jimbuna · 08-02-11, 10:38 AM

British minefields at Helgoland

Paul Riley · 08-02-11, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.

Good god! thats my home base!

Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

sublynx · 08-02-11, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Good god! thats my home base!

Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

There's a minefield close to the port that the Germans have put there, to protect the base from Prien kind of sneakiness from the British side. Farther out at sea, at least North of Helgoland, maybe elsewhere too, there are mines that the British have put there - the killjoys, trying to stop our raids to the British shores short

frau kaleun · 08-02-11, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Good god! thats my home base!

Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

All the Axis bases have ASW defenses, why wouldn't they? There's a war on, lol. You put defenses around your own harbors because you can tell your own people where they are. You just don't tell the enemy where they are. Mostly they are around the edges of the harbor entrances, as long as you stay in the middle of the channel in and out (or just follow your minesweeper escort, that's what he's there for) you should be fine. At any rate there is a drag-down chart in your Nav Map screen that shows you where they are.

There's no reason for a vessel that is welcome in the harbor not to run right up the middle of the channel. With the enemy it's a different matter and as was noted above, the defenses are there to keep them from sneaking in undetected.

Fish In The Water · 08-02-11, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

There's a war on, lol. You put defenses around your own harbors because you can tell your own people where they are. You just don't tell the enemy where they are.

What we seem to have here is a failure to communicate. Perhaps if we all got together and 'talked it out' there wouldn't have to be a war on...

Naaahhh, where would the fun be in that?

Capt. Morgan · 08-03-11, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

...There's no reason for a vessel that is welcome in the harbor not to run right up the middle of the channel.

Just like HMS Cambeltown did at St. Nazaire.

Woolfman · 08-02-11, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sublynx

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island.

I ended a career near Helgoland too.

I suspected it was a minefield for a few weeks now...but you guys confirm it. It definitively adds to the dangers of sailing it the North sea. Cant wait to visit the CB at Brest next year!

At least sailing through the Bay of Biscay should be safer...for a while that is!

woolfman

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andqui Soundman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 149 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	GWX3 minefields question I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person. How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them? thanks

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