Effective torpedo distances?

Devil_dog1975 · 07-20-11, 08:30 AM

Ok so i started my campain in the earliest year 41? Anyhow im using the first torps you get on a type vii. Now I read somewhere that effective range is anywhere from 500 - 1000m . Now I always miss at that range. But the funny thing is I have enourmous success from ranges of 2500 - 3500. Is it because they are not detecting me and changing course?

also what is the max effective range of the basic torp?

Paul Riley · 07-20-11, 08:36 AM

I tend to always fire from 1000m if I can,or as close as 300 - 500m in low visibility like fog,or a dark stormy night.

Not sure why you have more success the further out you are,but I know the minimum range is 300m (any closer and the torpedo will not arm),and I would have to say the maximum range would be about 8000m,or the limit of visibility range.When you get radar you may even be able to fire beyond this range,but the chances of hitting anything would virtually be nil.Its always better to get closer for two main reasons:
1 - the closer you are the less time the target ship will have to evade and zig zag
2 - even if the torpedo should lose its depth it should still hit the target

In real life most commanders fired from about 600m,in an ideal situation that is.

I recommend the following book,a lot of technical information is in it,there is even a section on attacking distances
http://www.amazon.co.uk/U-Boat-Comma.../dp/0939631210

Devil_dog1975 · 07-20-11, 08:39 AM

Are there any charts for detection ranges, I know this maybe impossible given weather conditions.

Paul Riley · 07-20-11, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil_dog1975

Are there any charts for detection ranges, I know this maybe impossible given weather conditions.

Not sure mate,try using Google and look up things like 'allied radar WWII detection range' , the same could go for 'allied sonar during WWII' and you could compare these with the German counterparts.I do know though that allied radar was far superior to German radar,but the Germans had very good sonar technology later on.
In SH3 you could get detected by allied radar at ranges such as 20km and beyond.
Also,it would be safe to assume that the GWX team modified these values since the stock release.

Missing Name · 07-20-11, 10:31 AM

I like being up to 1000 meters away from lone merchants/micro convoys. Convoys are anywhere from 3000 meters away to sitting in the middle of it. For task forces, no closer than 3000 meters, and that's a big risk.

As far as the electric torpedoes go (TII or TIII), the maximum range appears to be anywhere from 4000 to 6000 meters on the impact setting. Is this GWX simulating different battery charges or is it just a fluke?

Paul Riley · 07-20-11, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil_dog1975

Are there any charts for detection ranges, I know this maybe impossible given weather conditions.

Some of this information may be found in the above book.
For the cheap price this would be a wise investment if you are serious about UBoat technical data.

Pisces · 07-20-11, 01:59 PM

Well, the book maybe interesting in it's own right, but let's not forget we are playing a game that pretends to be a simulation but isn't completely realistic.

It's the game that makes the deciscion if it get's detected. Not history.

I too don't understand why you have more luck at hitting more distant targets than closer ones. Closer ones surely have better odds, as they look bigger from up short. If it does detect the torpedo then you should be able to see them speeding up or divert. If you are detected then DDs will start firing on you when they are in range. Pretty hard not to notice.

But you haven't really explained much about how you do your tracking, and shoot setups. Maybe the solution lies there.

Devil_dog1975 · 07-20-11, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pisces

Well, the book maybe interesting in it's own right, but let's not forget we are playing a game that pretends to be a simulation but isn't completely realistic.

It's the game that makes the deciscion if it get's detected. Not history.

That is my point. I'm willing to do my own research by playing, but was jsut looking for some premade graphs (i like graphs, its like pictures for math) and other stuff that explains how the game models visual ship detection and torpedo efective ranges. stuff like that. Maybe its all in the manual, idk. I probably should read it first.

07-20-11, 08:30 AM	#1
Devil_dog1975 Watch Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: CT, USA Posts: 22 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Effective torpedo distances? Ok so i started my campain in the earliest year 41? Anyhow im using the first torps you get on a type vii. Now I read somewhere that effective range is anywhere from 500 - 1000m . Now I always miss at that range. But the funny thing is I have enourmous success from ranges of 2500 - 3500. Is it because they are not detecting me and changing course? also what is the max effective range of the basic torp?

07-20-11, 08:36 AM	#2
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I tend to always fire from 1000m if I can,or as close as 300 - 500m in low visibility like fog,or a dark stormy night. Not sure why you have more success the further out you are,but I know the minimum range is 300m (any closer and the torpedo will not arm),and I would have to say the maximum range would be about 8000m,or the limit of visibility range.When you get radar you may even be able to fire beyond this range,but the chances of hitting anything would virtually be nil.Its always better to get closer for two main reasons: 1 - the closer you are the less time the target ship will have to evade and zig zag 2 - even if the torpedo should lose its depth it should still hit the target In real life most commanders fired from about 600m,in an ideal situation that is. I recommend the following book,a lot of technical information is in it,there is even a section on attacking distances http://www.amazon.co.uk/U-Boat-Comma.../dp/0939631210 __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes Last edited by Paul Riley; 07-20-11 at 10:41 AM.

07-20-11, 10:31 AM	#5
Missing Name Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Westun New Yahk Posts: 748 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	I like being up to 1000 meters away from lone merchants/micro convoys. Convoys are anywhere from 3000 meters away to sitting in the middle of it. For task forces, no closer than 3000 meters, and that's a big risk. As far as the electric torpedoes go (TII or TIII), the maximum range appears to be anywhere from 4000 to 6000 meters on the impact setting. Is this GWX simulating different battery charges or is it just a fluke? __________________ Largest target sunk with deck gun: Japanese auxiliary cruiser, 15000 tons Largest engaged: HMS Nelson. Results inconclusive. Read Brag's stuff

07-20-11, 01:59 PM	#7
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	Well, the book maybe interesting in it's own right, but let's not forget we are playing a game that pretends to be a simulation but isn't completely realistic. It's the game that makes the deciscion if it get's detected. Not history. I too don't understand why you have more luck at hitting more distant targets than closer ones. Closer ones surely have better odds, as they look bigger from up short. If it does detect the torpedo then you should be able to see them speeding up or divert. If you are detected then DDs will start firing on you when they are in range. Pretty hard not to notice. But you haven't really explained much about how you do your tracking, and shoot setups. Maybe the solution lies there. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

07-20-11, 08:39 AM	#3
Devil_dog1975 Watch Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: CT, USA Posts: 22 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Are there any charts for detection ranges, I know this maybe impossible given weather conditions.