American jihad: Facing up to homegrown militancy

[Skybird]

Before Vendor beats me on it on my very own grounds

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13068133

"His dad is Syrian, a Sunni Muslim, his mom's a Southern Baptist, from a little tiny town down here. His mom would take him to church and stuff like that," his schoolfriend, James Culveyhouse, explains.
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Over the years Omar Hammami became an adherent of stricter and stricter Islam - turning far more orthodox than his father.
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"It's not first generation immigrants," he says, "they are not going off (to fight)." Nor he says, is it the children of religious immigrants.
Instead he says, look to those who are brought up in secular or non-practising households. An identity crisis comes at some point.

America would be well advised to learn from the bad experiences we have in Europe with this (and not to repeat our mistakes!!!), the above summarised process is very, very typical the dominat subgroups amongst Muslim migrants in Western nations, in Germany for example the Turks, in England Pakistani. I am repeating ti since years that the second and third generation offsprings of Turks in Germany tend to be much more orthodox and truly Islamic, than their parents and grandparents of the first generation ever have been.

But as the debate over the mosque that tries to mock the victims at Ground Zero by trampling and dancing on their mass grave there has shown, American poltiicians are not safe fgrom repeating the same mistakes we have done in Eruope: to ignore the beasty features of Islam'S face, to to nice-talk it, to appease it, and believeing and also producing all those cosy words of lullabies that are designed to prevent the people opposing Islam as long as they still have the time and opportunity to do so.

The often claimed patterns and schemes of how socially Mulsim immigrants become radiclaised in the West due to their social low status and bad income, and that they are safe from becoming radicalised when they rise in social ranks, are simply wrong. They have been wrong in Europe (I mind you of the identities of the London bombers: many "well-integrated", unsuspiciuous offsprings from families of solidified social status), and they are wrong and do not work in America as well.

However, i also remind of that Islamic terrorism is one of the smallest of my concerns about Islam. To terror we can adapt, we can deal with it, counter it, even get used to, it does not mean much if we would not produce all those healdines all by ourselves. Thes slow change of geneal attitude towards this ideology, the inner ideologic explosive of Islam doctrine, the creeping ewrposion of free speech, free society, free thoguht, and our value and law traditions in attempts to appease Islam - this is by far the greater danger from Islam, than terrorism. Our attitude here is extremely unrational - we tend to get fixciated on the bright lights and loiud sound, and ignore the intention of the hidden partiture that they try to deceive us about. The danger lies not so much in Muslim bombers, but in Muslim indoctrination, and Islam's totalitarian, racist and gender-discriminating ideology. What is at stake is our freedom, and our ability to think rational and reasonable all by ourselves, without asking Islamic and PC censorship first wheter we may think and speak out that way indeed.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

America would be well advised to learn from the bad experiences we have in Europe with this (and not to repeat our mistakes!!!)

Yeah

THAT will happen.

America has been neutered. The whole damned place is so wrapped up in the "politically correct" nonsense that it will never happen.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Yeah

THAT will happen.

America has been neutered. The whole damned place is so wrapped up in the "politically correct" nonsense that it will never happen.

In the light of Obama's shameful Cairo speech and the debate about the Ground Zero mosque, I tend to share your scepticism. America'S oportunism in maintaining relations with Muslim regimes like the Saudis that are mongst the biggest financial supporters of Islamic terrorism in the world and that are one of the strongest ideological crusaders (or should one say "crescenders"?) on behalf of Islam's claim for world dominance, does not raise much argument for hope.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Yeah

THAT will happen.

America has been neutered. The whole damned place is so wrapped up in the "politically correct" nonsense that it will never happen.

I told ya'll PCness would be the death of us all. We can't call cancer: cancer anymore.

[gimpy117]

But it's not just jihad. There are extremists of all shape in form in the US. T only turn an eye to Islam is foolish.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

But it's not just jihad. There are extremists of all shape in form in the US. T only turn an eye to Islam is foolish.

sure, but lets say you have a yard... and your children play there.

what are you going to eradicate first?

the weeds or the fire ants?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

sure, but lets say you have a yard... and your children play there.

what are you going to eradicate first?

the weeds or the fire ants?

well what if those weeds happen to be poison ivy as well?